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Old 10-26-2001, 11:41 AM   #1
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lindows and mp3.com founder


thought this was interesting, the founder of mp3.com is starting a new linux distro that will support all linux apps and windows apps... hmmmm...

homepage is www.lindows.com
 
Old 10-26-2001, 01:21 PM   #2
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Yeah, I saw that article/announcement. I think it's a good thing for Linux exposure. But if Linux is going to take a major share of home computers it will need to be accepted in businesses first. This "Lindows OS" may help put us closer. Why do I think it needs to be accepted in business before it will go into the home? Because most non-tech users only buy a product for home after having first used it at work (besides games of course).
 
Old 10-26-2001, 01:51 PM   #3
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I just read the announcement and joined their mailing list to see what has to offer, and to test it (to see if its good and).
 
Old 10-26-2001, 02:00 PM   #4
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this stuff make me wish i had a second computer to mess around with - install new distros on a whim... nuke the partition table... flash the bios... ect... i'd like to mess around with that when it gets out.
 
Old 10-26-2001, 03:31 PM   #5
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this stuff make me wish i had a second computer to mess around with - install new distros on a whim... nuke the partition table... flash the bios... ect... i'd like to mess around with that when it gets out.
yeah, i love having multple computers. i have one i think i have a new OS on at least once every month to play around with... not sure if i am going to play with this new distro though. i think this would be good to run windows programs on linux, but there can be downturns to. why just load a bunch of windows programs on a linux box for someone who is migrating, they then wouldn't be really needing linux, maybe its stability, but nothing else they would ever learn from it, cause a majority of people use computers just for programs and software, not the OS, so there would be no point in them to run Linux just to run Windows apps, they could just use Windows.
 
Old 10-26-2001, 03:58 PM   #6
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Being a famous celebrity, I help fix computers for seirra leone, and so usually tend to have 3 or 4 486 / PI boxes lyign around my room.. and it get's like... ok... lets wipe the bios... i'm bored. :-)

As far as trying new distros... i've just found a copy of FreeBSD on a cover DVD... that'll be fun!!

As far as this lindows thing.. well it'll be a perfect solution if it works... ever. Sounds very ambitious, but there's no real reason it's not possible. Wine always seems very much like too little too late. worth signing up to i guess...

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Old 10-27-2001, 05:32 AM   #7
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Re: lindows and mp3.com founder

Quote:
Originally posted by trickykid
thought this was interesting, the founder of mp3.com is starting a new linux distro that will support all linux apps and windows apps... hmmmm...

homepage is www.lindows.com
So lets get this straight - this guy starts by giving away other people's valuable intellectual property free without asking them (MP3.com) . . .


. . . and now he wants to make customer's PAY $99 for something that was free . . .

(presumably Linux with WINE on it and no support)



. . . no thanks . . .

 
Old 10-27-2001, 05:53 AM   #8
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thing is, wine is a total git i've found.

IF this jobby seriously can implement the windows API at a low enough level to be able to seamlessly and PROPERLY run windows apps, then the'd be so good, i doubt it'll ever really be viable tho.

As for having to pay for the bugger, well it's not in the spirit of linux, but there's so much linux stuff out there that does cost loads of money, such as win4lin, I don't think it's exactly immoral, just not desirable...

then again tho, it'll be very likely to be closed source, and when going at it from a linux base, I don't think it will ever get accepted into the linx 'community', and that's gotta be one of the most important first steps into getting to the mainstream

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Old 10-27-2001, 06:54 AM   #9
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Originally posted by acid_kewpie
thing is, wine is a total git i've found.



IF this jobby seriously can implement the windows API at a low enough level to be able to seamlessly and PROPERLY run windows apps, then the'd be so good, i doubt it'll ever really be viable tho.



As for having to pay for the bugger, well it's not in the spirit of linux, but there's so much linux stuff out there that does cost loads of money, such as win4lin, I don't think it's exactly immoral, just not desirable...



then again tho, it'll be very likely to be closed source, and when going at it from a linux base, I don't think it will ever get accepted into the linx 'community', and that's gotta be one of the most important first steps into getting to the mainstream
I have never understood this. not from day one of using linux. I dont understand the notion that linux or linux software programs shouldnt cost money...why shouldnt they cost money? countless hours of peoples time have gone into these distributions, countless dollars in corporate funding have gone into linux, and linux has made sooo much progress in just the last 18 months because of this.

Yet people like you still go by this misunderstood interpretation of both linux and the GPL.

Is it the fact that you were a tightass that made you use linux or did linux make u a tightass. im more than willing to pay whatever amount to support linux, and i do frequently purchased boxed sets of distros in oder to do this. If everybody had the mindset that you have, and nobody was willing to financially support linux, we'd still be ack in the dark ages. if you want something in linux and want it to be free, make it yourself.....awwww cant code????

PUT UP OR SHUTUP
 
Old 10-27-2001, 12:54 PM   #10
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if you want something in linux and want it to be free, make it yourself.....awwww cant code????

PUT UP OR SHUTUP
hey some believe in the linux spirit of FREE, its good to support Linux, but some have their opinions and their choices. But we won't tolerate you telling someone to put up or shutup from their own opinion. this forum here likes to stay friendly, if you don't like being friendly, then don't post or keep comments like that to yourself. thanks.
 
Old 10-27-2001, 01:16 PM   #11
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we won't tolerate you telling someone to put up or shutup from their own opinion. this forum here likes to stay friendly
Thank you Trickykid - I've left other forums which were self-destructing with flaming so I'm glad you are sheriff


Regarding paying - I'm all in favor of it if real value is being added - the best model for Linux might be by-the-hour or by-the-problem support or consultancy fees - or consumer oriented add-ons like YAST - the big problem lies in taking quite large chunks of money for other peoples work (which is what Linux is) without adding anything.

Having said that if 'Lindows' really does work as well as XP then $99 is fine!
 
Old 10-27-2001, 02:45 PM   #12
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Thank you Trickykid - I've left other forums which were self-destructing with flaming so I'm glad you are sheriff
well, i don['t want to be so much a sheriff, but i don't want any individuals to be scared to post a question when they get answers like that or the such. i have come across many people asking questions here cause at other sites they were just told to RTFM with no help involved. whats the point of the site if they just tell everyone to just go read a manual. there are nicer ways to point someone to documentation online or elsewhere when there is indeed good info out there that will solve their problems anyone is having.

oh, and yes, i do go out and buy my linux distros at times too, i am on dialup right now... its usually worth forking out 30 bucks or whatever instead of waiting a week for an iso to download.
so buying linux is supporting/contributing the distro for their hard work and community in a way i totally agree. i especially like when they include stickers... like redhat does.

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Old 10-28-2001, 05:42 PM   #13
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OK, Something a little more constructive then...







From :http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html







Quote:
We maintain this free software definition to show clearly what must be true about a particular software program for it to be considered free software.



``Free software'' is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of ``free'' as in ``free speech,'' not as in ``free beer.''



Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:


*The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).

*The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.

*The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).

*The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.



A program is free software if users have all of these freedoms. Thus, you should be free to redistribute copies, either with or without modifications, either gratis or charging a fee for distribution, to anyone anywhere. Being free to do these things means (among other things) that you do not have to ask or pay for permission.
 
Old 10-29-2001, 08:27 AM   #14
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A question:

If a company wants to make a profit in developing Linux apps, can they still do it releasing the program under the GPL? I just don't think that it is possible and it does worry me.

The fact that the GPL allows any one to copy the program and give it away legally, doesn't that make one hell of a problem?
 
Old 10-29-2001, 10:31 AM   #15
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A question:

If a company wants to make a profit in developing Linux apps, can they still do it releasing the program under the GPL? I just don't think that it is possible and it does worry me.

The fact that the GPL allows any one to copy the program and give it away legally, doesn't that make one hell of a problem?
The trick is not to sell the program, but to sell services that make it more useful, such as consulting, support, chunky paper manuals, nice boxed sets, etc.
 
  


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