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Old 09-10-2003, 08:43 PM   #1
GryphonTech
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Gentoo install issues.....


Hello all. I hope this isn't too dumb a question but I thought I'd try linux and some people suggested Gentoo. I downloaded the iso's for cd1 and 2 and burned them to CD but CD1 doesn't autoboot.

In the CD I have as the top level files....
install.html
/distfiles
/isolinux/packages
/snapahots
/stages
livecd.cloop


I am trying to install this on a virgin PC with no other OS on it.
Any help is greatly appreiciated.

Thanks...
 
Old 09-10-2003, 10:51 PM   #2
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Assuming you've made the relevant BIOS change to enable booting from CD, does this same system boot other bootable CDs like Windows or other Linux distro's? Some people have reported issues booting other Linux CDs but being able to boot other CDs just fine. Thankfully with Gentoo, you don't need to be able to boot their LiveCD to install it, you can use just about any Linux live filesystem CD as long as you have a copy of the relevant Gentoo stage tarball.

Personally though, I wouldn't have wasted time downloading the two CD set, I'd have gone straight for the basic Stage 1 LiveCD (or if your system isn't happy with that either, grabbing the Stage 1 tarball and using something like a Knoppix or Slackware LiveCD) and compiled the distro from there. It's a little tricker, and takes a fair bit longer but it's really the only way to experience the raw flexibility of Gentoo, something no other distro, save Linux From Scratch, is able to match.
 
Old 09-10-2003, 11:10 PM   #3
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It boots the RH 9 CD

yes. It is set in the BIOS to boot from CD. I can boot a RH 9 CD and wintrash CDs.

To be honest, I'm tired of the MS BS I have to go throught and I am ridding my home of all things MS. and converting. I can install RH 9 just fine but so many people have told me to go to Gentoo that I thought I'd try it, but I don't have much exp. compiling on a *nix box.

I can boot into a RH 9 terminal and access the CD with the stages there. Should I just copy the stage tarballs over and run an install from them? Can I do that?

thanks much.
 
Old 09-11-2003, 02:33 AM   #4
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The thing with Gentoo though is that there is no specific "installer" as such, you have to do all the same steps manually yourself. These are well documented in the install guide (which is provided both online and on the LiveCDs) and anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the command line should be able to perform the install without much trouble. And in the event that you should you run into asny trouble, the answers can more than likely be found at the Gentoo forums.

This is why you can boot off just about any Linux LiveCD in order to install it (you can using an installed version of Linux too, but using a LiveCD is cleaner unless you really want to dual boot two versions of Linux), without an installer all you really need is the ability to connect to the net (this is especially important if you plan to do the Stage 1 install), the tar (with BZip2 support), cfdisk and relevant filesytem creation tools and chroot commands along with the relevant stage tarball and the install guide.
 
Old 09-11-2003, 05:13 AM   #5
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Have a look at this:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml
In your case you could either go for the install with knoppix (but you'd have to download it first) or the install from another Linux distro.

Last edited by crashmeister; 09-11-2003 at 05:15 AM.
 
Old 09-11-2003, 05:19 AM   #6
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Question Question

Can you boot from a Linux floppy? I plan to install soon as well. I thought the first CD would be bootable. Then you install from there.

 
Old 09-11-2003, 05:39 AM   #7
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Just go and get the regular CD - it's about 100 mb or so.I didn't even know that got a CD set for download.
You'll be fine.I got about the same box like you and it works flawless.
 
Old 09-11-2003, 05:54 AM   #8
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Talking Cool, good to hear.

I have ordered the set from cheapbytes.com. Should be here soon. How long you think it will take to install? I'm new to Gentoo but about 8 or 9 months on Linux. Got how to from Gentoo.com

Curious.



Oh, I can do this without a internet connection right? I have a really slow 24K dial-up. Sucks. If I don't stop I'll go into a rant.

 
Old 09-11-2003, 06:08 AM   #9
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Dunno - it depends on how you install it.
I compiled everything from source and it took about 14 hrs from scratch to kde-base.Of course I had to download the whole stuff.
With binaries it should go real quick - never did that though.Kind of defeats the purpose of gentoo.
Check with the link above - there is also something about installing with dialup.Might come in handy sometimes.
 
Old 09-11-2003, 11:22 AM   #10
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Ok gang. I found the problem. The program I used for burning the .iso image to CD was missing some files thus, it was not autobooting.

I tried a newer program and... volla. Problem solved. The Gentoo CD 1 autobooted just fine.

I was originally going to do a Stage3 GRP build but from everyone's comments, I decided to start from scratch on stage 1.

This is cool and helping me learn more about the power of Linux.

Thanks guys.
 
Old 09-11-2003, 12:28 PM   #11
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Re: Cool, good to hear.

Quote:
Originally posted by dalek
I have ordered the set from cheapbytes.com. Should be here soon. How long you think it will take to install? I'm new to Gentoo but about 8 or 9 months on Linux. Got how to from Gentoo.com

Curious.



Oh, I can do this without a internet connection right? I have a really slow 24K dial-up. Sucks. If I don't stop I'll go into a rant.

Gentoo is rather internet dependent as it is "bleedin' edge" stuff, but it can be done over a dial up. I did it with a stage 1 tarball.

You can save a lot of download time for install by ordering the Gentoo Essentials CDs. I wish these had been available when I installed.
 
Old 09-11-2003, 10:19 PM   #12
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But depending on just how old those essentials CDs are a lot of the download time you save installing will be negated by the download time required to bring the system up to date. The best way to save download time I've found is to perform the stage 1 install from scratch once and if and when you have to reformat and reinstall, make a copy of your /usr/portage/distfiles directory before you reformat and put it back afterward. I managed to get my system up and running in under 3 days doing that when previously, it took 4-5, even a week.
 
Old 09-11-2003, 10:40 PM   #13
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The CDs are up-to-date as of the date of burning. They synch every day, so it is only as old as the mailing service takes to deliver it.

You will definately save tons of download time.
 
Old 09-12-2003, 12:33 AM   #14
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Do they rebuild the entire base system when they do that or do they just include the latest portage snapshot? As near as I can tell, the stage tarballs haven't been updated since August so'll be next to useless for building a system now if saving download time is a priority.
 
Old 09-12-2003, 02:30 AM   #15
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I'm going to give it a try.

I went to the site fancypiper gave and ordered the set with the update CD thingy. I also ordered Mandrake 9.2, Slackware 9.0 source and updates and Open Office 1.1rc4. I plan to put a lot of OS's on before it's over. In case you can't tell, I love Linux. I also hate M$.

When I get all that down pat, I'll be able to help others and learn myself. That's one thing about being disabled; plenty of time.

I will be able to boot to Mandrake on occasion during this Gentoo install won't I? I don't know if I can go without a puter that long.

Oh, Need links, lots of links. Need to read a lot. Gentoo, Slackware. I got Mandrake pretty good though.

Thanks for the help. I'll probably post back with questions before it's over. I did get the install info printed though. Seems like good info.


 
  


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