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Old 09-11-2004, 12:23 PM   #1
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Gentoo & Stage3


Hi, everyone!
I have a general question about Gentoo. I want to try it, and I wanted to start from stage1, but there's a problem. It need's a network installation ( I have read this in there installation handbook, which i found on there website), and that's not an option to me.
I'm still thinking about getting a Universal Live CD and Package CD (version 2004.2) and do an install from stage3. But then i would miss out on lot of things, like bootstrapping.
I don't see how anyone could compare a stage1 install to a stage3. I think that this way Gentoo would loose one of it's strong points. And I wouldn't learn that much...
Now to my questions...
Can I customize my Gentoo after a stage3 install, to make it more special? How much speed would I loose, compared to a stage1?

Thanks!
 
Old 09-11-2004, 01:24 PM   #2
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I installed Gentoo using stage 3 tarball & it is very much faster than other distros like red hat & fedora.
I never tried Stage 1 but, its all about control..
With stage 1 you have an option to control more features..
I wanted do every thing by my self, but lack of network avoided that...
But, there is another option for that "Linux From Scratch" (LFS) www.linuxfromscratch.org
Try it 4 more speed;-)
 
Old 09-12-2004, 11:10 AM   #3
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After a lot of reading I decided to go with LFS. I wanted to do Gentoo stage1 so I could learn about Linux, but it seems that LFS is the best solution for that. Maybe after that I recompile my Slack from source... or just X and KDE.

Thanks kesara3k!
 
Old 09-12-2004, 11:17 AM   #4
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Enjoy LFS;-)
 
Old 09-12-2004, 11:06 PM   #5
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LFS sucks....
i mean.. yeah... LFS and GENTOO can both be compiled from source, optimised, and customised... however....

LFS... you spend HOURS... doinf the same thing.... extract -, patch , configure, compile, install over and over and over.. its boreing, mind numbing... and what do you learn..... very little.

second of all.... the LFS book has almost no information on optimisation, the gentoo book has some decent info on how to optimise for your porcessor.. and as a result, my gentoo system runs faster than my LFS system.

and as for starting from stage one.... the only thing you do in stage one and 2 than you dont in stage 3 is.... ./bootstrap.sh and emerge system.
no customisation is done in stage one or 2....

and you will not lose a noticale amount in performance... just remember to recompile the kernel !
 
Old 09-13-2004, 01:41 AM   #6
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Well, my decision is that I am going to get LFS and GENTOO too. LFS will be great to learn something new (I hope), maybe later even more. For Gentoo, I simply must try it. To see if I like it more than my Slack.

Thanks.
 
Old 09-13-2004, 07:23 AM   #7
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By all means try LFS.. but before you start, read the gentoo book on optimisation and how to correctly set the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS variables...

after compiling LFS for 3 days straight, you will kick yourself when you learn a simple...
export CFLAGS="-fomit-frame-pointer -O3 -mcpu=athlon -march=athlon -pipe"
export CXXFLAGS="-fomit-frame-pointer -O3 -mcpu=athlon -march=athlon -pipe"

could have given you a highlt optimised OS.

anouther thing to note about LFS v GENTOO... is GENTOO has possibly the greatest package management tool (portage emerge) that wll atuo compile and calculate dependency's

and LFS has no package management.....
which means if you want to be able to UN-install a program, you will have to install each program in a differend prefix... (e.g.) ./configure --prexix=/usr/unique_program_name

and you will have to determine package dependency's by examining ./configure and mane compile errors... which yes.. is a good learning experiance.. but once you learned it... and have no knoledge left to gain from doing it, is just plain annoying.

anyways.... its prob best you try it for yourself and get your own opinion...
but definatly give gentoo a try some day.
 
Old 09-13-2004, 08:55 AM   #8
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I'm reading the Gentoo book now, it's pretty good. As soon as I get my CDs, I am installing it (already made space for it.). As for LFS, I want to build a system, to learn about it. i don't think that I am going to use it.
After that, I will decide which will be my main OS, Slack or Gentoo.
 
Old 09-13-2004, 01:24 PM   #9
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You can find lot of information about optimizing LFS from LFS web site. See hints..
And read BLFS (Beyon LFS) , a complete book about installing other applications
 
Old 09-13-2004, 03:02 PM   #10
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Thanks Guys! You really helped me much. First I'm going to install Gentoo (I'm almost finished with the handbook) , then LFS. There's good documentation for LFS too, and it all sounds interesting (making my own Linux). After that comes BLFS. Good thing I have enough space for everything.
There will be a lot of reading and learning...and that's what I was looking for.
 
  


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