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Old 05-12-2009, 02:16 PM   #61
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Hi, I can feel with you:

I didn't know anything else than windows 9x.
A friend and I we wanted to give computerclasses for the church but we hadn't windows-licenses so there came up the idea to use linux instead. That night we checked about a dozen distros the last one was Puppy and we liked it. It did everything intuitively looked a bit similar to windows, had the plugins installed, and so on.
Without Puppy I wouldn't have been able to switch to linux.
In the meantime I checked about 100 distros (Puppy is still one of the favourites but I don't thing that Ubuntu is that beginnerfriendly.
I think openmamba, knoppix and mandriva are much better suitable to start with.
 
Old 06-06-2009, 12:49 AM   #62
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I think we need to remember what we are doing

This forum is here to help and aid people with Linux questions not discourage them from wanting to learn it and use it.

Linux is so hard to understand and to switch to because Linux users dont want to help with the transitioning of windows users. They like to think they are a select few who understand the inner working of the computer world.

We all started out at the same place; not knowing anything about Linux. Then we learned, what seems like second nature for us seems like the impossible for others.

Bill Gates has made this his arsenal for the past 18 years.

Lets help make the conversion from windows to Linux a easy one.

To become comfortable with Linux and to get around the problems you have, first find a distro that you like and want to learn.

Download their live CD and try it without installing it.

I suggest something user friendly like the following:

Ultra X Linux http://ultraxlinux.org

Ubuntu http://ubuntu.com

Fedora http://fedoraproject.org/


Next you will need to learn a little terminal.

Google a list of commands for your specific Linux distro you decide to use.

Try to customize it with your personal preferences like resolution, background pics, color scheme, install some free apps, and what ever else you can challenge yourself with.

Then come back to the forum if and when you need help.

Good Luck with your Linux venture!!!
 
Old 06-06-2009, 12:53 AM   #63
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Frustrating

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Originally Posted by Xzyx987X View Post
I switched to Linux recently in anticipation of the crap that is Vista (so much bloat, so little substance). I've been a Windows power user for quite a while, but I find the restrictions MS is putting on Windows to facilitate DRM unacceptable. I decided to try Kubuntu after hearing that Ubuntu is a good begginner distro, and hearing KDE had an interface similar to Windows. However my experience with it has generally speaking been worse that I would've ever imagined. Here's just a brief summary of the issues I've had so far:

-I started with 64bit Kubuntu. No web browser plugins, no wine, most programs wouldn't compile without serious tweaking. I switched to 32bit after two weeks of complete frustration.

-Installing new video card driver's made Xorg quit working until I reinstalled the kubuntu-desktop package. Now just imagine how an average user who's been on Windows their whole life but doesn't know much about computers would react to this. They are booting to a command line, in an OS they know nothing about, with no obvious facilities for self-repair aside from a reinstall. I'm guessing they wouldn't be too happy about it. I wasn't either, because it was obvious whatever the problem was was beyond my current ability to diagnose, but that still makes me better off than most users, who might as well throw their computer out the window at that point.

-Xorg fails to enable 2d acceleration for no apparent reason. I had to put up with horrible window drawing performance for quite a while, and no amount of driver switching or reconfiguring made any difference. Ironically, using a composite window manager such as Beryl drastically incrased my performance. Unfourtunately I couldn't use it regularly as it gave me various screen drawing errors and was incompatible with KDE's desktop switching.

-Xorg starts enabling 2d acceleration for no apparent reason. I have no idea why, and if I had to reinstall Linux I'd probably never be able to reproduce the cirumstance that got it working.

-Opera, my favorite web browser, has crap for plugin support on Linux. The majority of plugins won't work or have bugs with it. The only way the mplayer plugins with work on it is by compiling and old version of them with a special configure switch. This information was particularely easy to dig up either. And no, I will not use Firefox. I have nothing against Firefox, but opera has more features, is faster, and hass better standards compliance. If you've never surfed with a trash bin for your tabs, you don't know what you're missing.

-KDE was moving my trash from a seporate partition into my home folder's trash bin. This was obviously extremely slow and annoying. What's more annoying, is that it never warned my the reason for this was that it couldn't access the partitions root folder to make the trash bin unless it was root, therby leaving me guessing as to what was going on. For all I knew, moving the files to the home folder was normal behavior. It was only by reading the specs for handling trash folders on freedesktop.org that I was able to solve the problem. I'm guessing a lot of people would've just lived with it and assumed the problem was that Linux sucked.

-Just in general, Linux GUI apps are not forthcoming with explanations when things start going wrong. Instead of detecting errors and telling you, it seems to think that you'll just automatically know what log file you need to read to diagnose a problem. Ironically, most command line apps tell you exactly what's wrong right off the bat, so a lot of the time you can figure out you problem by using the comand line to repeat what you were trying to do.

-Then again, in one situation KDE made a pretty good case for not having error messages pop up. I had set up KDE to use utorrent running under wine to handle my torrent files, since all of the linux torrent clients were giving me very crappy speed. But whenever I opened a torrent file an error message would pop up saying it failed to launch wine, when in fact, nothing had gone wrong. When utorrent was launched by opening a torrent file, instead of displaying an error message all the icons on my desktop would dissapear. This could only be fixed by closing utorrent, at which point the error message was displayed. So bascially, KDE was causing an error by displaying an error message. That kind of story really seems like it belongs it the Windows world... At any rate, the fix was to disable DCOP registration for torrent files, but I only figured that out by trail and error. No one else I talked to about the problem had any clue.

-I can't get USB flash drives working properly. This is an ongoing problem so I made a thread for it here:
linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=505776

-Things constantly behave counter-intuitively without giving me warning. For instance, after turning off power management, my screen saver was replaced with a black screen until I discoved (linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=2231757#post2231757) some obcure configuration option only availible in one of KDE's settings files. For god sakes, a screen saver is such a basic feature, there is no excuse for it not working. I've had a lot of complaints about Windows, but never that a component as basic as the screen saver wouldn't work.

I'm not trying to start a flamewar here, more than anything I'd just like to know if this level of inneptitude is common for most Linux distro's. Many people have told me they have had no such problems on their distros, so it's possible KDE/kubuntu just sucks, but I'd like to hear what other people think before I try a Gnome based distro.

Personally though, I blame a lot of my problems on the complete lack of intergration in the components that make up a Linux system. The system is way too dependant on configuration to get things to work, so it's no wonder you get issues like this. With this type of system it's safer to assume things are working than to report a problem (or even try to figure out if there is one), because you can't ever assume anything about the state of your interaction with all the seporate components. Even when all you're doing is writing a cog to fit somewhere in a set of predetermined standards, you can never fully anticipate how other people's interpretation of those standards may be different from yours. All you can really do is hack at something until it works, and hope that your assumptions about why it works are correct.

I really don't want to have to use Vista. With MS pumping up the proprietary features, lockouts, and restrictions, I'd rather just use XP for the rest of my life than "upgrade" to that. But if all Linux distros are as difficult to work with as Kubuntu has been, I may not have much choice. However, while I still think I'm correct in my opinion that Linux's shortcomings are due to deficiencies in the core design principles most Linux environments are based on, that doesn't mean no distro is capable of overcoming these issues and putting together something that really does "just work". I just don't want to waste any more time on something that doesn't work, and possibly never will.

Linux can be frustrating at first because you are not used to the environment that you can do anything you want to your operating system.

You are in control, you want to change the OS around completely you can. Windows doesn't give you that ability.

Work through look to the forums for support and ignore the rude posts and you'll be fine.

Good luck!!!
 
Old 06-06-2009, 03:33 AM   #64
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Just like to point out to anyone offering advice to the OP, the original post is from 2006.
 
Old 06-08-2009, 07:44 AM   #65
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cjparad View Post

Linux is so hard to understand and to switch to because Linux users dont want to help with the transitioning of windows users. They like to think they are a select few who understand the inner working of the computer world.
Pardon me, but that's plainly not true, not even when speaking in generalities. I don't think of myself as a privileged member of society, any more than I am privileged to take the time and effort to learn about new things. I help people all the time with getting used to new software, and they have reasons for clinging to their comfort zones. This supposed "Linux user" arrogance has little to do with it. If you had a bad experience with somebody, then I'm sorry but you obviously weren't hanging out with me.


Quote:
We all started out at the same place; not knowing anything about Linux. Then we learned, what seems like second nature for us seems like the impossible for others.
Also, not true: I already knew a lot about Unix, but I didn't know the most important thing about Linux, that it's free (as in price) and free as in freedom. I would have been a GNU/Linux user for 10 years now if I had known that
 
Old 06-10-2009, 06:52 PM   #66
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I had problems running Ubuntu/Kubuntu and finally settled on PCLinuxOS. The 2009.1 release is good and my printer works with it and my wireless card works with it using madwifi. Consider giving it a try also. Be aware some of the folks in their forums are sort of "frank" and others are sort of thin skinned, so I've heard anyway.
 
Old 06-13-2009, 05:18 AM   #67
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Just like to point out to anyone offering advice to the OP, the original post is from 2006.
...and I seriously doubt they're still watching this thread- Their last post was 1-10-07.
 
  


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