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Old 11-03-2012, 05:51 PM   #46
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Hello,can some one give me the link to the DVD 64bit iso for intel, the link in this site is for amd .?
Debian Wheezy Beta installer 3
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wh...amd64/iso-dvd/

Debian Squueze 6.06
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/...amd64/iso-dvd/

You only need dvd1 to install debian.

Even though That Wheezy installer is beta, i used it just over a week ago and it worked flawlessly, and gave me a good Wheezy system.
I still suggest you try Wheezy, Debian really is not difficult to work out. I suggest Wheezy over Squeeze because it will become the stable release in the coming months, and it's pretty good right now. Squeeze does encounter common issues with newer hardware; they're not hard to fix if you know what you're doing, but i just think Wheezy is the right choice at this time of the freeze, if you're doing a fresh install.
Make sure you do an md5sum check of the iso once downloaded, that may have been your issue with Opensuse.

Last edited by Knightron; 11-03-2012 at 05:52 PM. Reason: Forgot to add the Squeeze link
 
Old 11-04-2012, 06:57 AM   #47
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Make sure you do an md5sum check of the iso once downloaded, that may have been your issue with Opensuse.
Can you explain for me what is md5sum check ?? I have never did such thing !! sorry but as I said I am sort of newbie .
 
Old 11-04-2012, 07:21 AM   #48
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No worries mate. Have you ever downloaded a song or video, and when you've played it, it got so far and just stoped and it refused to play further no matter what? Yes, No? It's happened to me, so i figure, you may have experienced that too.
Well this occurs because the file became corrupt. This can sometimes happen when you download an iso file too (and has happened three times to me while downloading with Apple Safari when i was first starting), and if it does you don't want to install from it.
the md5sum is a long string of digits that are generated in response to the contents of the iso. As far as i know, every distro out there has a md5 number for there isos which can be downloaded or simply viewed on your web browser. Once the iso is downloaded, you can open up you linux terminal and type the command 'md5sum $directory/to/file.iso', this will appear to do nothing for a small period of time and then output a long sting of digits. You compare these with the string of digits of the md5 file downloaded or displayed on your web browser and make sure they're the same. If they're the same, then you're all good (unless it becomes corrupt in the burning process). If the strings are different then your file has not downloaded correctly.

'md5sum' is a linux command and i'm pretty sure Os X has it too, but it's not a Windows command. Windows can get third party programs to check the md5sum, but i've never used them so can't help you there.

So in summery, the md5sum check is a way to make sure your iso didn't become corrupt during download. I never mentioned it, but it can also help in identifying that someone hasn't hijacked the web sight and replaced the iso with malware named the same. I have never seen this, but it is a possibility.

Some people never check the md5, and some are religious about it. I personally, usually do when i download a new iso (it's pretty easy on Linux anyways), but have let it slip on occasions. I suggest it to be done all the time though.
 
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:02 AM   #49
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You can revert back to previous Gnome versions, if that's the main concern.
Actually after trying openSUSE with Gnome 3, I now like it ..! :-)

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I would really recommend trying Ubuntu.
Did you see it's rank on the LQ reviews ??

What kernel version and Gnome version does Debian 7 has ??

OK, I understand I'll check it with the isos I have, but I wanted to ask, does the correct md5sum to compare with depend on the site from which the iso/torrent was downloaded from ?

Thanks,

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Old 11-04-2012, 05:52 PM   #50
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The md5sum should be the same if the the different website is hosting the same iso. The Opensuse12.2 64bit iso will have a different md5sum to Opensuse12.2 32 bit, and any Opensuse iso will have a diffeent iso to and Debian iso. the md5sum should be unique to every iso, so a different md5sum for every different iso.

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Actually after trying openSUSE with Gnome 3, I now like it ..! :-)
Well why don't you stick with Opensuse then? Speaking of them freezes, you don't have an nvidia card by any chance?

Opensuse 12.2 comes with Gnome shell 3.6.1. Debian Wheezy comes with Gnome shell 3.4.2
 
Old 11-04-2012, 11:34 PM   #51
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Well why don't you stick with Opensuse then? Speaking of them freezes, you don't have an nvidia card by any chance?
Because it gets stuck while booting..!
How can I know whether I have NVidia card ?
 
Old 11-05-2012, 04:45 AM   #52
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post the output of the command.
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lspci
I ask about the nvidia card because Opensuse is one of my favorite distros and i've 12.2 on three computers. Two of them three have nvidia cards. Nvidia have not made there drivers opensource, so therefor they're not included with most distros. Nouveau is the Free alternative driver for nvidia cards, (not made by nvidia) which is included in the Linux kernenl. I prefer to use Nouveau over the official proprietary Nvidia driver, but for some reason, in Opensuse 12.2 on my two nvidia computers, the computer will freeze at a blank screen when booting unless i press 'Esc' (for long boot). Loading the proprietary driver fixed this issue for me. I thought you may be encountering the same thing.
 
Old 11-05-2012, 06:06 AM   #53
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Hi,
I don't know what to say, I just want a rock solid distro that will work for me without bugs and freezes, and that has a GUI to manage packages and networks, I didn't succeeded in getting my wired connection to work under openSUSE 12.2 .
Debian 6 got rank 9 on LQ reviews, higher than slackware 14.

I think that I'll either install Debian 7 beta or wait to the release of Debian 7.

Thanks
 
Old 11-05-2012, 06:13 AM   #54
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As far as i know, every distro out there has a md5 number for there isos which can be downloaded or simply viewed on your web browser.
Pretty much.

BTW, incase you or anybody else reading this doesnt know, you can create a checksum for any file type, not just .isos. Its very common to get checksums with big lossless audio albums and similar files.

If you use the same checksum type (e.g. MD5) and the files are the same, the checksum should be the same. It doesnt matter if one was done on a windows 2000 system 10 years ago and the other on a brand new 2012 version of linux from scratch.

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So in summery, the md5sum check is a way to make sure your iso didn't become corrupt during download. I never mentioned it, but it can also help in identifying that someone hasn't hijacked the web sight and replaced the iso with malware named the same. I have never seen this, but it is a possibility.

Some people never check the md5, and some are religious about it. I personally, usually do when i download a new iso (it's pretty easy on Linux anyways), but have let it slip on occasions. I suggest it to be done all the time though.
I use MD5 and other checksums once in a blue moon. I mostly get .isos with torrent clients, and the 'check data' option works as well as MD5 checksumming. With the added advanage of if there is a problem, the client should find and corret it. Debian also has 'Jigdo' ('Jigsaw' and 'download') works in a similar way, and will also check the data automatically.

The downside is that if torrent a file which is modified (hacked, cracked, rootkitted or just corrupt in some way) the torrent client wont know about that.

To avoid this, I always get my torrents from the distros offical website. Not that you can torrent debian Wheezy B3..or at least you couldnt when I got it week or so ago.
 
Old 11-05-2012, 07:11 AM   #55
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Hi,
I don't know what to say, I just want a rock solid distro that will work for me without bugs and freezes, and that has a GUI to manage packages and networks, I didn't succeeded in getting my wired connection to work under openSUSE 12.2 .
Debian 6 got rank 9 on LQ reviews, higher than slackware 14.

I think that I'll either install Debian 7 beta or wait to the release of Debian 7.

Thanks
Debian may take a little more configuring than Opensuse, Ubuntu, just so you know.

For the record, Debian Squeeze has been out for a long time. Slackware 14 has only been out for a short period of time and thus only recieved 4 reviews so far. You're comparing the mean score from four reviews with the mean score of twentyfive. If DavidMcCann hadn't participated in the Slack 14 reviews, it would have a rating of 9.33. It's not fare. A more accurate comparison is comparing Squeeze with Slack 13.37.
 
Old 11-05-2012, 09:19 AM   #56
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Hi, That might be true, but any way openSUSE so far does not work for me..!
And more people comment on it since more use it....!as you can see on slackware, much more comment on it than on other distros such as ubunutu,mandriva... .

I just saw that Fedora 18 will come on 11-12-2012, so that can be another option.

Thanks

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Old 11-05-2012, 06:12 PM   #57
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More people comment on Slackware than any other distro because Slackwares official forum is the Slackware distro forum here at LQ. I'm sure if the reviews were hosted at the Mandriva forums; Mandriva, Mageia and Opensuse would be at the peak of receiving the most reviews and Slackware would be near the bottom.

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I just saw that Fedora 18 will come on 11-12-2012, so that can be another option.
MY self and others have given you our recommendations, so i've got no more to add except that Fedora is in complete contrast to this:
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I just want a rock solid distro that will work for me without bugs and freezes
Fedora is the development distro for Redhat, there is meant to be bugs, and the users are meant to know how, and fix them.
 
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OK,just thought that this is an option...
I think Debian is good, so I'll either install 7 beta or wait to the last release .

Thanks
 
Old 11-09-2012, 11:22 PM   #59
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Hi,
I don't know what to say, I just want a rock solid distro that will work for me without bugs and freezes, and that has a GUI to manage packages and networks, I didn't succeeded in getting my wired connection to work under openSUSE 12.2 .
Debian 6 got rank 9 on LQ reviews, higher than slackware 14.

I think that I'll either install Debian 7 beta or wait to the release of Debian 7.

Thanks
Try CrunchBang. They have one of the nicest forums/communities around, so while the Stable version (Statler) is very stable, when something does go wrong you can always ask for a solution there.
 
  


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