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Old 08-12-2009, 08:32 PM   #1
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System Guard issue - suse 11.1


Hi Guys
I would be gratefuller for your input as to my issue -

My system seems to have slowed down as of late so i though the best thing is to see what is going on - deleted tmp files etc

When i launch my KDE System Guard the following message appears, in addition the screen keeps refreshing its self continuously cannot get to access this program.
In addition the desktop now seems to start to be doing the same the wast basket and the desktop area.

Any ideas as to why this is? and how to resolve it.


System installed suse linux 11.1 kernal 2.2.27.25-0.1 with windows xp duel boot system

KDE 4.2.2 release 114
AMD Athlon 64 2300MHZ Mem 1.8 GB

Many Thanks for your assistance in advance.

CM
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Old 08-13-2009, 03:37 PM   #2
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My system seems to have slowed down as of late so i though the best thing is to see what is going on - deleted tmp files etc
Deleting temporary files probably isn't going to help; it might if you have a volume that is 95+% full, but you should be able to check that with a quick 'df'. I'd certainly get a bit concerned if any volumes are above 80%.

The first thing to check is whether there is lots of traffic to the disk sub-system; first check -what about the disk drive light, or the noise (assuming that you can hear it/them)? If there is, it could be swap or something indexing your disk and as the cures are different, you would want to find out which.

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When i launch my KDE System Guard the following message appears, in addition the screen keeps refreshing its self continuously cannot get to access this program.
I get this (the never-settling-after-finishing-refreshing part, not the error message). I had assumed that it was something to do with an early botched install of kde3 alongside kde4 and which hasn't been cleared up by later, more succesful, kde4 installation, but I don't know. Presumably, on this theory, the configurations for the two would have got interchanged/mixed up, but I haven't really tried to fix it, so I can't say for sure.

Work around; there are a number of command line utilities which, one way or another, can do do the stuff that you are doing with ksysguard

Disadvantage to the work-around; you'll end up learning half a dozen or more command line utils (top, atop, htop, iotop...probably anything with top in it, plus a few others as well).

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In addition the desktop now seems to start to be doing the same the wast basket and the desktop area.
I don't know what this means; stuff on the desktop is having continuous updates that never really settle, and you can never really see what is being displayed?

Any ideas as to why this is? and how to resolve it.

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System installed suse linux 11.1 kernal 2.2.27.25-0.1 with windows xp duel boot system

KDE 4.2.2 release 114
AMD Athlon 64 2300MHZ Mem 1.8 GB
I think the only thing that is relevant there is the kde version. kde is improving rapidly and 4.3 is the only one that I have been close to happy with (yet), even if it is still very clearly unfinished. I'd advise you to upgrade to 4.3, except for the fact it hasn't done anything for me on this particular issue.
 
Old 08-13-2009, 11:03 PM   #3
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Deleting temporary files probably isn't going to help; it might if you have a volume that is 95+% full, but you should be able to check that with a quick 'df'. I'd certainly get a bit concerned if any volumes are above 80%.

The first thing to check is whether there is lots of traffic to the disk sub-system; first check -what about the disk drive light, or the noise (assuming that you can hear it/them)? If there is, it could be swap or something indexing your disk and as the cures are different, you would want to find out which.



I get this (the never-settling-after-finishing-refreshing part, not the error message). I had assumed that it was something to do with an early botched install of kde3 alongside kde4 and which hasn't been cleared up by later, more succesful, kde4 installation, but I don't know. Presumably, on this theory, the configurations for the two would have got interchanged/mixed up, but I haven't really tried to fix it, so I can't say for sure.

Work around; there are a number of command line utilities which, one way or another, can do do the stuff that you are doing with ksysguard

Disadvantage to the work-around; you'll end up learning half a dozen or more command line utils (top, atop, htop, iotop...probably anything with top in it, plus a few others as well).



I don't know what this means; stuff on the desktop is having continuous updates that never really settle, and you can never really see what is being displayed?

Any ideas as to why this is? and how to resolve it.



I think the only thing that is relevant there is the kde version. kde is improving rapidly and 4.3 is the only one that I have been close to happy with (yet), even if it is still very clearly unfinished. I'd advise you to upgrade to 4.3, except for the fact it hasn't done anything for me on this particular issue.

Thanks for the reply salasi.

I have taken your advice - however not much to report here very little traffic on the system.
:~> df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda6 20641788 5201416 14391732 27% /
udev 961052 244 960808 1% /dev
/dev/sda7 103518040 7463096 90796472 8% /home
/dev/sda1 184321744 48196136 136125608 27% /windows/C

In addition i have looked at the top as follows cannot see anything untoward

top - 04:46:32 up 2:35, 3 users, load average: 1.89, 1.76, 1.70
Tasks: 130 total, 4 running, 126 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie
Cpu(s): 53.1%us, 3.9%sy, 0.0%ni, 42.6%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
Mem: 1922104k total, 1800160k used, 121944k free, 373492k buffers
Swap: 2104472k total, 12k used, 2104460k free, 854396k cached

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
2793 root 20 0 300m 165m 5100 R 59 8.8 49:54.99 Xorg
4288 webmaste 20 0 530m 41m 27m R 29 2.2 33:50.19 plasma
4354 webmaste 20 0 295m 123m 27m S 16 6.6 24:51.89 firefox
4280 webmaste 20 0 60860 18m 14m S 9 1.0 15:41.65 kwin
9205 webmaste 20 0 123m 34m 21m S 5 1.8 7:09.96 kget
10675 webmaste 20 0 73872 18m 14m R 1 1.0 0:03.48 konsole
4008 webmaste 20 0 3300 1208 640 S 1 0.1 0:33.14 dbus-daemon
1 root 20 0 1008 360 308 S 0 0.0 0:01.46 init
2 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kthreadd
3 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/0
4 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.72 ksoftirqd/0
5 root RT -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/1
6 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.46 ksoftirqd/1
7 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.28 events/0
8 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.48 events/1
9 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 khelper
10 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kintegrityd/0
11 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kintegrityd/1
12 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kblockd/0
13 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.02 kblockd/1
14 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpid
15 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kacpi_notify
16 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 cqueue
17 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.02 kseriod
18 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:16.00 kondemand/0
19 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kondemand/1
20 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 pdflush
21 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.94 pdflush
22 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.20 kswapd0
23 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/0
24 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 aio/1
25 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 kpsmoused
68 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.10 ata/0
69 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:01.82 ata/1
70 root 15 -5 0 0 0 S 0 0.0 0:00.00 ata_aux


In regards to the Desktop and wast bin moving around on screen i am referring to 1. the wastbin moves in a vertical direction repeatable and the Desktop moves down the screen and has to be realigned :-

In response to your suggestion i have tried to install KDE 4.3 this meat with some resistance as you can see from the attachments - don't know where to go from here.

Thanks
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Old 08-14-2009, 06:32 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by cyclops.matrix View Post
:~> df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda6 20641788 5201416 14391732 27% /
udev 961052 244 960808 1% /dev
/dev/sda7 103518040 7463096 90796472 8% /home
/dev/sda1 184321744 48196136 136125608 27% /windows/C
The good news is that you don't have to mess with cleaning up temporary files; the bad news is that it doesn't give us anything to work on.

In addition i have looked at the top as follows cannot see anything untoward


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  PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
 2793 root      20   0  300m 165m 5100 R   59  8.8  49:54.99 Xorg
 4288 webmaste  20   0  530m  41m  27m R   29  2.2  33:50.19 plasma
 4354 webmaste  20   0  295m 123m  27m S   16  6.6  24:51.89 firefox
 4280 webmaste  20   0 60860  18m  14m S    9  1.0  15:41.65 kwin
 9205 webmaste  20   0  123m  34m  21m S    5  1.8   7:09.96 kget
10675 webmaste  20   0 73872  18m  14m R    1  1.0   0:03.48 konsole
 4008 webmaste  20   0  3300 1208  640 S    1  0.1   0:33.14 dbus-daemon
    1 root      20   0  1008  360  308 S    0  0.0   0:01.46 init
..........
and its mainly zeros below that...http://http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories (btw, notice that if you want anyone to be able to read tables, format them as code...just much easier to read.)

Well, firefox is using a bit more CPU than you'd like but that's firefox for you. Really that leaves Xorg and plasma as the only eaters of cycles. I've seen Xorg that high (briefly), but you'd really, more typically see about half of that. Plasma, I'm not sure about, but it does seem to point at the only thing that is burning up cpu cycles concerns drawing the screen.

I don't think I can be more specific than that. It may be worth ensuring that you aren't making things worse with extravagant desktop effects.

Quote:
In response to your suggestion i have tried to install KDE 4.3 this meat with some resistance as you can see from the attachments - don't know where to go from here.

Thanks
I note that you are struggling with QT4 and without that, everything else will trip over because masses of stuff depends on that.

Repo details are here:

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories
(the first of those two is probably more germane). I'm sure that there is a better guide on repos on the opensuse forums but I can't find it....their search function claims that is no thread containing the string 4.3, so its obviously lying.

There have been some threads about possible incompatibilities between proprietary drivers for 3d graphics cards and kde4 but I'm not sure there has been a definitive 'x is incompatible with y, cure it by upgrading z' kind of conclusion. Might be worth looking into, though.
You'll need factory for kde4.3, and its a chunky update.
 
Old 08-15-2009, 06:05 PM   #5
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The good news is that you don't have to mess with cleaning up temporary files; the bad news is that it doesn't give us anything to work on.

In addition i have looked at the top as follows cannot see anything untoward




and its mainly zeros below that...http://http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories (btw, notice that if you want anyone to be able to read tables, format them as code...just much easier to read.)

Well, firefox is using a bit more CPU than you'd like but that's firefox for you. Really that leaves Xorg and plasma as the only eaters of cycles. I've seen Xorg that high (briefly), but you'd really, more typically see about half of that. Plasma, I'm not sure about, but it does seem to point at the only thing that is burning up cpu cycles concerns drawing the screen.

I don't think I can be more specific than that. It may be worth ensuring that you aren't making things worse with extravagant desktop effects.



I note that you are struggling with QT4 and without that, everything else will trip over because masses of stuff depends on that.

Repo details are here:

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/Repositories
(the first of those two is probably more germane). I'm sure that there is a better guide on repos on the opensuse forums but I can't find it....their search function claims that is no thread containing the string 4.3, so its obviously lying.

There have been some threads about possible incompatibilities between proprietary drivers for 3d graphics cards and kde4 but I'm not sure there has been a definitive 'x is incompatible with y, cure it by upgrading z' kind of conclusion. Might be worth looking into, though.
You'll need factory for kde4.3, and its a chunky update.


Many thanks for your help will keep looking and carry out the update to KDE 4.3
 
Old 08-30-2009, 09:01 AM   #6
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Many thanks for your help will keep looking and carry out the update to KDE 4.3

Many Thanks once again salsa
My KDE 4.3 is now up and running
However it seems to have affected my firefox browser and i have been informed that it is to do with Qt

" You're using the wrong Qt repository. KDE:Qt45 contains development snapshots.
This version is not released yet.

Any idea as to what i have done wrong here? please.
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