seelenbild28

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Hi @ll,

how to integrate bibtex into kile as such that a \cite{} command offers a completion suggestion for bibtex-keys out of a literature.bib file integrated into a kile-project?

Do not misunderstand the thread, there is no problem compiling the project. The only question is the completion stuff. For e.g. kile suggests latex tags in the following way: you type \begin{equ and kile suggests you want to type \begin{equation}. I know there was a similar feature e.g. in Miktex for Wintrash*g I used when I was one of these Win-Lemmings*g centuries ago.

Would be very effective to use such a completion stuff also for kile, especially if one has a bib-file of thousands of literature...

Thanks in advance...

jschiwal

Which version of Kile are you using. According to this change log, that feature was added.
http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragea...9209&view=auto

Did you add the bib file to the project, i.e. is it really integrated into the project?

seelenbild28

hi, thanks for the quick reply.

i am using kile 1.9.2. I also saw the change log and it should be implemented. but i don*t know how to use it*g.

lets suppose my tex files are in /testdirectory. this is the directory i compile my document with a small script which does latex, bibtexall *.aux, latex, latex of my document called test.tex. the bibtex-file is literature.bib which sits in another directory somewhere on the harddisk since it is the bib-file i use for all my latex-documents. all tex-files and the bib-file are included in kile as a project test.kilepr

now the question is: how to tell kile that it knows all the keys of the file literature.bib? I did not find anything in the settings...

jschiwal

If the autocompletion text setting doesn't do it, perhaps you need to produce a .cwl from your bibtext database.
Look in /opt/kde3/share/kile/complete/

seelenbild28

this was something I already tried! To make a .cwl file is not difficult, one has just to put all bibtex keys into a e.g. test.cwl file. But this is also the problem: since the bibtex datafile managed e.g. by kbib or in my case jabref in java gets continuously larger, you have to put the new keys also in the cwl file. this is not really comfortable especially if you first have to put over 1000 keys into the cwl file...

I thought that there is a way to tell kile "hey, there is a bib-file, take it and extract the keys". this would be very helpful, all other ways are too difficult or time consuming.

if anyone out there has another idea how to do it, please let me know...

seelenbild28

now I found out that indeed kile should just simply read in the bib-file as part of the project and suggest a keyentry if one types 3 or more letters in the \cite command. For me it does not work. It does suggest all latex tags like e.g. \cite if you just type \ci.. but for the keys it does not work. Is there some setting in the kile settings which I have to tic?

Surion

This is splendid!!!!

venik

I have a related problem.
I am using Kile 1.9 under Kubuntu 6.10, with Tetex.
I specify the full path to the bibtex database (*.bib), but Kile fails to find them, so I get ?? for instead of the references.
What do I do? I ran texconfig again, but that did not fix it.

By the way, when I use WinEDT on the same file under Windows (with MikTex, and after changing the \bibliography{..} command to the path appropriate for the Windows machine), it all works perfectly.

Any ideas?
Thanks

seelenbild28

I solved the problem:

you have two possibilities:

1) you put the *.bib-file into the directory where your tex-file is located (it's not the best solution...)

2) you make a link with ln -s in the directory where your tex-file is located to the *.bib-file. example:

if your tex-file is in "/home/user" and your literature.bib-file in /data/user, then cd to /home/user in a console and type "ln -s /data/user/literature.bib /home/user"

for me it works even with bib-files on a server... so, enjoy it

seelenbild28

as a remark:

it seems to be a kile problem that bib-files either have to sit in the same directory as the tex-file or a link has to sit in the same directory as the tex-file.... I don't know why, but ok, if you try this workarount you should be happy...

jschiwal

Are you certain that thebibliography is not working? (space missing, pun intended)

Have you tried running Latex again on it. ( A second or third time? ) Does the log say anything pertinent, and are you certain the it finished.

Maybe this is not pertinent, but you said it works in WinEdt. Was the bibtex database prepaired on windows. I wonder if the CR\RET pair that windows uses at the end of a line can cause a problem as happens with Makefiles not working.

What happens if you run the latex program from the shell instead of using Kile to edit and compile the document. It may not be a Kile issue in other words.

I haven't used LaTeX much, so I hope I'm not off base. When I was a college student, we time-shared electronic typewriters in the Library. The IBM (or even VIC-20) hadn't been released yet. I remember a couple Fortran classes where I needed to type actual punch cards. For another class, I used a paper tape punch reader. And I'm not that old! Technology sure moves fast.

seelenbild28

@jschiwal:

I was testing it extensively since I am used to do thinks on the console I also use the console in kile or outside. the problem is not that kile 1.9 finds the bib-file. this works wherever you put your bib-file, even on a far server. the problem we are talking about is that kile has a autocompletion mode not only for text but also for bibtex-keys it finds in your specified bib-file if you are using \bibliography. if you are using \thebibliography inside the tex-document for sure also this autocompletion works, tested! but it does not work if you are using bibtex with a separate bib-file which is not in the same directory as the tex-file. on the other hand, it works also with a separate bib-file if you have a link to that wherever located bib-file in the same directory as your tex-file OR if the bib-file is directly sitting in the same directory. clear? it took me hours to find that out, but the workaround with making a link works pretty well....

venik

Thanks a lot for the hours spent finding this workaround using a link. I shall try it once I get to my office. By the way, how do you specify the location on a server? That could be great for me, since I collaborate with other people, and we could all use the same bib files.

As for the other suggestions:
1) I tried compiling it many times, but it did not work.
2) I have used Lyx on that system, and it worked fine with the very same bib data bases under Ubuntu, so it is not a Windows vs Linux issue.
3) Under XP and Winedt, MikTex simply finds the bib files that the \bibliography command specifies. Nothing else needs to be done. It goes without saying that this is what Kile should do as well.

seelenbild28

strange behavior, I don't know whats the specific problem with kile and bib-files in that case.... anyway. you specifiy your bib-file on the server in the most easy way:

just mount the directory where the bib-file sits in your computer using sshfs or samba, nfs or whatever. I use sshfs:

sshfs#user@servername:/directoryonserver /mountpointonyourpc fuse noauto,user="user",allow_other

the allow_other option is for the case if you have problems with the permissions on the server...

then you just make a link in your tex-directory to the bib-file on your mounted directory, that's it...

enjoy it

venik

Sadly, this linking solution failed. I still get no references.
I am not sure yet whether this is a Kile specific bug or some problem with my general Latex system. The Latex system does work fine with LyX, so I assumed Kile is at fault. I shall continue to investigate.