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Old 10-31-2006, 10:24 PM   #1
CWBillow
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I am literally 3 days into Linux, Kubuntu/Ubuntu 6.06 specifically.

I went to take a look at it via MS Virtual PC, and really liked it, so now I'm planning the re-setting up of my hard drive so that I can install it "directly".

Any and all suggestions would be more than welcomed.

Regards,
Chuck Billow
 
Old 10-31-2006, 10:34 PM   #2
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Don't take this the wrong way, but READ the directions. Most of the problems I find on this forum can be avoided if you properly read and follow the directions. Don't get me wrong, everyone makes mistakes and I expect you will be no different, and of course don't be afraid to ask for help if you don't understand the directions. So 1) read the directions, and 2) Ask for help if you need it.

Don't let me scare you though, Kubuntu has a nice installer, and I rarely have trouble with it when I use it. Odds are you won't have any problems during the install. Its when your making it "yours" that you'll probably run into problems. Just like you would with Windows, "how do I..." You know what I mean.

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Old 11-01-2006, 12:04 AM   #3
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Sir Wonder:

I try never to take any advice the wrong way... AAMOF, I have been known to get totally caught up in the momentum of the moment, and totally miss the obvious as a result.

The only problem I'm concerned with at present is the stuff they DON'T tell you in the instructions:

Yes they tell you how to install, but not necessarily what to do with the two other O/S's you have on the same disk. Are they "safe"? Will Kubuntu (or whatever) see them during a "straight" install... that kind of thing...

Because, no question, I am a diddler, and love to tweak, and I expect issues at that level, I just want to get there (to that level)without a lot of bloodshed...

Chuck
 
Old 11-01-2006, 12:28 AM   #4
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Ubuntu usually will save your other OSes and even boot them.

Actually it should work really easy, if you have prepared an empty partition for your install. I'm not really sure if Kubuntu will do, but most distros today will even automatically mount your windows or whatever partitions for you.

So I'd say, don't think to much about it, and just give it a try, and stop when you are unsure and check here to ask
 
Old 11-01-2006, 01:02 AM   #5
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Will Kubuntu need some letter designation fro the partition -- IOW, do I have to be concerned with mappings etc. getting changed or re-directed, or does Linux not concern itself with that?

Regards,
Chuck
 
Old 11-01-2006, 06:36 AM   #6
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Installing Kubuntu

With the liveCD (from which you install Kubuntu also) there is a disk partitioner under System|Administration (it disappears as a choice when Kubuntu is installed). Thsi will allow you to resize and make new partitions.

At re-boot you will be presented with a GRUB screen giving you options of different OSs but defaulting to load Kubuntu. If you can't see your Windows partitions, go to System|Administration|Disks and look under 'Hard DIsk' Partitions and mount the drives to the access path '/media' and then Enable. You should then be able to see the drive icon on the desktop.

Major actions you will need to discover include installing new programs and getting updates (Synaptic Manager), and then setting up recalcitrant hardware like wireless. There is lots of help on UbuntuForums,

AAM
 
Old 11-01-2006, 09:19 AM   #7
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You might want to take a look at this thread from ubuntuforums.org - it includes a nice little how-to regarding installing Ubuntu alongside Windows.

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthre...l+boot+windows
 
Old 11-01-2006, 12:29 PM   #8
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OK guys, thanks. I'll check 'em both out...

Chuck
 
Old 11-01-2006, 01:03 PM   #9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CWBillow
I am literally 3 days into Linux, Kubuntu/Ubuntu 6.06 specifically.

I went to take a look at it via MS Virtual PC, and really liked it, so now I'm planning the re-setting up of my hard drive so that I can install it "directly".

Any and all suggestions would be more than welcomed.

Regards,
Chuck Billow
I would strongly recommend you buy another HD and install on that. Resizing a windows drive would be your biggest hurdle. Having a separate drive bypasses that problem. The second drive should also be partitioned with "/" as 20G, "/opt" as 20G or more and "/home" as the biggest chunk with some left over for swap at about 2G. The OS will install under 10G on "/" but /tmp will be on the same partition and will grow with time so keep an eye on it or your drive could fill up. It is important to keep /home separate in the event of switching distributions. The "/" partition will need to be reformatted and without partitioning /home will be removed. This comes from experience.
 
Old 11-01-2006, 01:09 PM   #10
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I had thought that what I had heard was "at least 2 gigs", and now I'm hearing *50*.

That big? Really?

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should also be partitioned with "/" as 20G, "/opt" as 20G or more and "/home" as the biggest chunk with some left over for swap at about 2G. The OS will install under 10G on "/" but /tmp will be on the same partition and will grow with time so keep an eye on it or your drive could fill up.
 
Old 11-01-2006, 01:43 PM   #11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CWBillow
I had thought that what I had heard was "at least 2 gigs", and now I'm hearing *50*.
That big? Really?
I have Suse 10.1 on a new dual core AMD64 and it installed at about 7.8G on a second 250G drive I put in and the install was not everything. /opt is used for java, GoogleEarth, Picasa, ... Some even have /usr on a separate partition to help with the growth problem.
I do have an older AMD64 with a 10G and 80G set of drives with the base OS on the 10G and is about 93-95% full. Ouch! /tmp is responsible for the overfilling of the drive. I even have a seperate partition for downloads, /dl, so I can keep track of those. No windows on this computer as I built it from scratch.

Always install with elbow room for future growth as it is difficult to foresee where the growth on the computer shows up.
 
Old 11-01-2006, 01:45 PM   #12
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I'm brand new

The claim that the OS will install on 2GB is absolutely correct. One of the inevitable events after installing a free OS with free programs is that you will wantr to install lots of them. They have to go somewhere. In addition it is likely that you will want to try other distros to discover the difference.

Its a bit like syiong Windows will load in a 2GB partition, buit we all know that the Program Files need to go somewhere, as does the data.

The advice is good, use another HDD during your learning phase. Anything over 20GB will do for a start.
AAM
 
Old 11-01-2006, 02:03 PM   #13
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20G for root is crazy. Thats just a waste of space unless you want to install EVERYTHING. I try to keep / as small as possiable so I have as much storage room as possiable on /home.
 
Old 11-01-2006, 02:04 PM   #14
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Well, I've got an extra drive, so... I'll just have to wait for the weekend I 'pose...

As an aside, when I try to move the cursor in ( these) message boxes, I can move up and down, but not left and right. I have to use the mouse to place the cursor where I want to be... and this is (to my knowledge) the only place this happens.

Is this happening just to me? Is there a fix?

CB

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The advice is good, use another HDD during your learning phase. Anything over 20GB will do for a start.
AAM
 
Old 11-01-2006, 02:48 PM   #15
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I'm brand new

I'm the same (if I understand you correctly). Wheel scrolls up and down but no lateral movement.

Just as some advice for the beginner, when you install Kubuntu to your spare HDD, set up 10-20GB as the / ('root') partition and have the rest as /home.

Then in the future when you re-install, you reformat the / partition and reinstall, and leave /home unchanged with all your data files.

My personal experience suggests that you use a fresh install to try out things like activating 3D graphics acceleration, wireless, Xgl, etc, and write your own HOWTOs when successful with each step, so that when you are proficient and ready to settle on a Linux set up you can do the last install and set everything up as needed.

Let us know how it goes on Monday!
 
  


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