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Old 03-02-2014, 04:25 AM   #1
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backup restore fedora 11


Dear All,

Thank you for such a beautiful forum.I am a new bee and want to do and learn things.

My situation
1) I have installed fedora 11 in one hard disk (only one partition) and one more fedora 11 (2 partitions -- one windows 7 and fedora 11). Both for the same machine.
Now the hard disk having fedora 11 only is completely updated and has all the software installed.
Instead of again updating and installing all the softwares in dual boot machine, I would like to backup in fedora 11 only hard disk and move that file and restore it in dual boot system.

1) Is this possible?
2) how I can achieve this? which is the software I need to use?
3) In windows you might have heard a software called "movepc" which will move your entire software and updates to other system..is there any software in fedora?

thanks in advance
 
Old 03-02-2014, 05:02 AM   #2
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Hello and welcome to LQ, hope you like it here.

Depending on similar disk layouts between systems you should be able to copy an installation (rsync?) and fixing boot records and system configuration details afterwards but more importantly I'm sorry to say there's no way you would have been able to "update Fedora 11 completely" the past years in the first place. It's been EOL (End of Life) for some time now (June 2010 to be more precisely: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/End_of_life). When you use Fedora you should ("must" really being a better word) keep in line with the Fedora Release Life Cycle (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedor...ase_Life_Cycle) for reasons of Fedora providing you with security, bug and other fixes and for you to contribute to Fedora properly. Running a deprecated Fedora release connected to a public network is not advisable, I'll spare you my opinion of people doing so anyway.

In short you should either choose to keep Fedora current (that's release 20) or move to another Linux distribution should you choose not to keep up with the aforementioned Life Cycle. No two ways about it.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 10:41 AM   #3
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Hi unSpawn,

Glad to see your answer.

Could you please let me know the Linux distribution which once installed only enough if you can update it instead of going for reinstalling after every 6 months. Please let me know the list of availability.( What I mean is .. is there any distribution which is just enough to update never need to reinstall or upgrade)

Thanks a lot.
 
Old 03-02-2014, 12:52 PM   #4
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Fedora does not require a full fresh install every 6 mo. in fact with the new fedup process you should not have to perform a fresh install again unless you are doing something funky to begin with. IE: full disk encryption, does not work with fedup, but partition encryption does.

there are NO distros that do not update on some type of schedule. if they didnt, they would fail to be protected from bad code, or just something new that is in the world that can cause damage to a system, but if you are looking for long term support that is not paid for, then look into CentOS 6.x and soon CentOS 7 once it goes live. CentOS 6.x is at around 3 yr mark so it has about 2 more years of support. Once CentOS 7 is released it will have a 5 year life cycle.

CentOS 7 should be released before the end of the year.
 
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Old 03-02-2014, 04:20 PM   #5
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What lleb said except that RHEL (and therefore CentOS) are offered with 10 years of Production Phase support (http://www.redhat.com/rhel/lifecycle, http://wiki.centos.org/FAQ/General#h...91e1dde5b75e6d).
 
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Old 03-02-2014, 07:46 PM   #6
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Thanks for the speedy reply.
Let me clarify the doubts I got...

1) I have installed Fedora 19 in my desktop which is Gnome. I have installed KDE for more GUI. Now please tell me is KDE runs above Gnome at extra processor cost?. What I mean is...is it like adding a theme is MS Windows which runs above OS as a separate entity taking processor resources? which may slow down the PC.

2) I am looking for task-bar in KDE where all the windows can be minimized and can be restored.(I am fed up of alt+tab) But I didn't find one when I searched the internet. Will this be possible OR I need to uninstall KDE and install something else. (what is that?).
3) Is it possible to have the task-bar (window minimize bar) in Gnome itself? how it is achieved?
4) If Gnome and KDE don't provide task bar then please suggest me one which has this facility.

Thanks
Have a great day
 
Old 03-08-2014, 01:52 AM   #7
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Hi all,

That's a pretty good time I am waiting for my doubts to get cleared. Please respond.

Thanks
 
Old 03-08-2014, 02:43 AM   #8
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That's a pretty good time I am waiting for my doubts to get cleared. Please respond.
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I have installed Fedora 19 in my desktop which is Gnome. I have installed KDE for more GUI. Now please tell me is KDE runs above Gnome at extra processor cost?.
No. KDE and GNOME are separate Desktop Environments. If you want to try something less resource hogging there's for example XFCE.


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I am looking for task-bar in KDE where all the windows can be minimized and can be restored.
Right click KDE task bar -> Panel options -> Add widget -> Category Windows and tasks -> Show Desktop?


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Is it possible to have the task-bar (window minimize bar) in Gnome itself? how it is achieved?
google:// for "site:extensions.gnome.org taskbar"?
 
Old 03-09-2014, 04:14 PM   #9
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Haven't used KDE much (I did try the live Fedora 20 KDE spin DVD, but decided I just don't like KDE - strictly personal preference), but I think it has a taskbar on the panel - I don't recall if it was there by default or if I had to add it.

KDE does not run on top of GNOME. They are separate desktop environments based on different graphical libraries (Qt for KDE, Gtk3 for GNOME), so installing both will take up more disk space. Running KDE apps in GNOME (or vice-versa) will use more system resources (having to load both sets of graphical libraries), but with a modern PC, that shouldn't be a problem.

If you really want a lightweight (in terms of system resources) DE, my personal preferences are LXDE and XFCE, both of which are based on Gtk2. You can place a taskbar on a panel in either of these DEs. Somewhat heavier, but another favorite of mine, is the Cinnamon desktop (it also has a taskbar on the panel, but is Gtk3 based).

FWIW, Before I retired it, my PIII with 768MB RAM ran an XFCE desktop.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 06:37 PM   #10
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as a avid fan of Gnome2 .....

kde4 is not bad once you turn off most of the eye candy
( some is nice , but most are just using up cpu cycles )

if you are going to use Fedora
Keep in mind that it is a testing and "research and development" operating system
it pushes the development envelope PAST the breaking point-- then fixes it --- then breaks it --- then fixes it -- and so on


do not expect it to be 100% stable
-- it WILL !!!! crash from time to time


now the very new "fedup" should upgrade you to fedora 20
but do not count on it to upgrade 19 to 21
19 will go end of life 30 DAYS after fedora 21 is released
and that should be in April
so in about 90 days fedora 19 goes END OF LIFE

but
PREPARE !!!!!!! for a full reinstall BEFORE you run fedup
-- just to BE SAFE ---

Last edited by John VV; 03-09-2014 at 07:31 PM.
 
Old 03-09-2014, 07:19 PM   #11
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If you use Fedora please keep in mind (no all-caps necessary ;-p) there's always people who like to emphasize Fedoras presumed instability.
Now I actually have a couple of well-used machines over here running w/o crashing since F18.
So please take what looks like FUD with a grain of salt.
 
  


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