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Old 10-16-2013, 01:55 AM   #1
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I realize there is a lot of talk of Tex / Latex, etc.
I toyed w/ these apps a bit, but never found much practical use for my endeavors.

However, I have much material organized which will ultimately be published as a book, with chapters, Forward, perhaps illustrations, etc.

I seek advisory for how i might best approach the task (having, myself, only limited knowledge and experience w/ Latex/ Tex), using that software which I have come to recognize as one of the preferred means of preparing a text for publishing, Tex/ Latex. (forgive my misuse of the nomenclature: i believe one is the /language/, while one is the shell? h_ll if i know!)

Your advice will be appreciated.
Many thanks. Sincerely,
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:56 AM   #2
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I realize there is a lot of talk of Tex / Latex, etc. I toyed w/ these apps a bit, but never found much practical use for my endeavors.

However, I have much material organized which will ultimately be published as a book, with chapters, Forward, perhaps illustrations, etc.

I seek advisory for how i might best approach the task (having, myself, only limited knowledge and experience w/ Latex/ Tex), using that software which I have come to recognize as one of the preferred means of preparing a text for publishing, Tex/ Latex. (forgive my misuse of the nomenclature: i believe one is the /language/, while one is the shell? h_ll if i know!)
Don't bother with either. Use Libreoffice, format the document however you want to, put in your pictures/etc., and when you're done, send it to your publisher like that. THEY have professional tools (and people), who will typeset it and print it.
 
Old 10-16-2013, 04:34 PM   #3
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Man, I have to say, that is one dam_ cool bit of advise. I really appreciate it. That's not Seinfeldian humor, but sincere.
Thank you for saving me some time.

Indeed, I suppose a lot has changed, not only on the home-pc/ individual/ microcosm of things, but I suppose one would be naive to believe such advancements have not extended beyond the /Office Suite/, and into the Service Bureaus; publishing companys, etc.

Thanks again.

P.S. I should remark, I suppose I seek some easy answer; some means through which I might...
[not burn more cigarette holes in my shirt/ jeans! :damnit:, grrr... excuse me!]

:ahem!:
that is, i (cop-out, perhaps?) likely sought after some means through which I might better wrap-my-head around this idea of organizing several /thoughts/ as chapters, and set-it-up as a semi-final draft; an artifact that I might review; that I might perceive in spatial terms (vs. cognitive concepts), for a better reckoning of what it is i wish for my finished product.

Perhaps I'd hoped this /formatting/ which I believed to be a highly-regarded benefit of the aforementioned /...Tex/'wares, might have been one such means for me to achieve a more stable grasp; that I might more rapidly arrive at the fruition of my desire.

Regardless, thank you for your thoughtful reply; your feedback.
Best wishes,
@ajaxStardust

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For traditional publishers, I think it's best to keep the illustrations in separate files with their intended location marked in the text, which can be simple odt format. They will impose their house format on your layout, so nothing fancy is needed.

Self-publishing with a firm like Lulu, you can actually submit the document as a pdf: I've got a couple with horribly amateurish layouts on my shelves to prove it!
 
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Self-publishing with a firm like {xyz}, you can actually submit the document as a pdf: I've got a couple with horribly amateurish layouts on my shelves to prove it!
Indeed, when the .com boom died, people still be trying to /boom/ in some rather underhanded, inferior production. :hmph!: I say we blame it on Napster. After all, what can't we blame on it for pioneering so much distribution of © material. Ah, but i digress, AGAIN.
Thank you for your patience, Ladies and Gents, She-males, etc!
and Forgive my nonsensical rants. Please don't waste time trying to make sense of it. The Sense may be there, but you've got better things you need be doing, i suspect.

To be clear: you highly recommend soliciting a work to a /real/ publisher, such as Penguin, etc?

Indeed, i know some cats out there in that Amazon / Kindle / Nook world of woe: tell me , “oh, the first year, everyone was all about my book. Now i can't get new readers if i paid them” [paraphrased, of course]

I don't want that. It is my intention; my goal; my believe that what book results of my efforts will be worthy of a regular Barnes & Noble stock (for example).

Long story short: I believe what Mr. McCann is expressing. Do it in a modern /Word Processor/ app (e.g. Libre; Apache Open Office, etc.), and send the unsolicited work to as many potential publishers as possible.

Dig i pick it what you're layin' down? Am I hip to your jive?
I hope so.

Again, MANY, MANY thanks for your input on this topic. Very much appreciate a little back-n-forth on such a topic.



back-n-forth:
Not to be confused w/ a little in-out, as in A Clockwork Orange!) haha... good lord, i have poor taste in jokes! but, “the [vehicle] put off a rumbling sound; a vibration which made me feel quite good, all up me gutty-works!”
(yeah, that's a real accurate paraphrasing of it!) haha...
 
Old 10-18-2013, 09:32 AM   #6
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Indeed, when the .com boom died, people still be trying to /boom/ in some rather underhanded, inferior production. :hmph!: I say we blame it on Napster. After all, what can't we blame on it for pioneering so much distribution of © material.
That is insulting to DavidMcCann...the book layout may be 'amateurish', but to say it's 'underhanded' to try to self-publish ones own book, and to call it inferior, is not good. And correct me if I'm wrong, but YOU are looking to publish a book as well...should we also assume that you're 'underhanded and inferior'???
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Ah, but i digress, AGAIN. Thank you for your patience, Ladies and Gents, She-males, etc! and Forgive my nonsensical rants. Please don't waste time trying to make sense of it. The Sense may be there, but you've got better things you need be doing, i suspect.
We don't waste any time trying to make sense of the senseless.
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To be clear: you highly recommend soliciting a work to a /real/ publisher, such as Penguin, etc?
No, to be clear, you asked about what to use to typeset a book. You were told that publishers (no matter WHO they are), have people and software to perform the layouts. Unless you've done it before, it's NOT an easy thing to do. Submit it as a PDF or document file, and let them do what they're PAID to do.
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Indeed, i know some cats out there in that Amazon / Kindle / Nook world of woe: tell me , “oh, the first year, everyone was all about my book. Now i can't get new readers if i paid them” [paraphrased, of course]

I don't want that. It is my intention; my goal; my believe that what book results of my efforts will be worthy of a regular Barnes & Noble stock (for example).
Which is what ALL authors believe...whether that's true or not. Why do you think your book will sell so well, ALL THE TIME???
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Long story short: I believe what Mr. McCann is expressing. Do it in a modern /Word Processor/ app (e.g. Libre; Apache Open Office, etc.), and send the unsolicited work to as many potential publishers as possible.

Dig i pick it what you're layin' down? Am I hip to your jive?I hope so.
...which is what I also told you as well. Seemed very clear both times.
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Again, MANY, MANY thanks for your input on this topic. Very much appreciate a little back-n-forth on such a topic.
back-n-forth:
Not to be confused w/ a little in-out, as in A Clockwork Orange!) haha... good lord, i have poor taste in jokes! but, “the [vehicle] put off a rumbling sound; a vibration which made me feel quite good, all up me gutty-works!” (yeah, that's a real accurate paraphrasing of it!) haha...[/size]
...yeah....sure....
 
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No, to be clear, you asked about what to use to typeset a book. You were told that publishers (no matter WHO they are), have people and software to perform the layouts. Unless you've done it before, it's NOT an easy thing to do. Submit it as a PDF or document file, and let them do what they're PAID to do.
Not a pdf file to a "regular" publisher: they want easily accessible text to edit. Your document file will show heading levels, for example, but their editor will make their own choice of font and size for each. They will also want to impose their house style with regard to spelling and punctuation, and they may make a few other changes, too. If you feel strongly about anything, you can always argue when you get the proofs.
 
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That is insulting to DavidMcCann...the book layout may be 'amateurish', but to say it's 'underhanded' to try to self-publish ones own book, and to call it inferior, is not good. And correct me if I'm wrong, but YOU are looking to publish a book as well...should we also assume that you're 'underhanded and inferior'???
Jimminy Christmas! Count to ten, and remember: you know nothing about my virtues; my morales. Keep it to yourself, pally.

Someone gone a little heavy on the ol' /paranoid/ pills? I recommend you pick up a collegiate dictionary, that you might better understand intellectual rhetoric. See this is what we call flame baiting (that what you wrote to me). This is what I call making mockery of it. And the award for best impromptu jester goes to... _____ some jackass from New Jersey, most likely.

But, I wish you a pleasant day, regardless of your having drawn such peculiar conclusions; your interpretation of my text.
 
Old 10-18-2013, 12:16 PM   #9
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Wink the little old man: snoring!

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If you feel strongly about anything, you can always argue when you get the proofs.
Again, Mr McCann, I appreciate the value in your wherewithal, your insight. I am fortunate to have been around the block, so to speak. There are books written which reference me, written by close friends. I understand the logistics of publishing, being experienced with both /independent/, and the international.

I regret it took so much banter, moreover, such apparent misunderstanding to reach the end of this otherwise fine archive for others' reference.

Be well, Dog's n Cat's.
 
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Jimminy Christmas! Count to ten, and remember: you know nothing about my virtues; my morales. Keep it to yourself, pally.
What I know of you comes from what you post/say. And since your OWN PROFILE says:
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source code, heroin, music, amphetamine, exhibitionism (no particular order)
...that pretty much says it all.
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Someone gone a little heavy on the ol' /paranoid/ pills? I recommend you pick up a collegiate dictionary, that you might better understand intellectual rhetoric. See this is what we call flame baiting (that what you wrote to me). This is what I call making mockery of it. And the award for best impromptu jester goes to... _____ some jackass from New Jersey, most likely.

But, I wish you a pleasant day, regardless of your having drawn such peculiar conclusions; your interpretation of my text.
Sorry...there is nothing intellectual in any of your posts that I can see, but the content/structure does seem to lend credence to your list of interests being sincere.

You trivialized someone else's work. You ignored the contributions of others. Neither speaks well for a supposed 'intellectual'.

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Not a pdf file to a "regular" publisher: they want easily accessible text to edit. Your document file will show heading levels, for example, but their editor will make their own choice of font and size for each. They will also want to impose their house style with regard to spelling and punctuation, and they may make a few other changes, too. If you feel strongly about anything, you can always argue when you get the proofs.
I've submitted things in PDF before, but you are 100% correct that they will strip things out. I've left them 'unlocked', to give them some ideas on how I'd like it to look, but they can copy/paste text as necessary, and (presumably) have tools to convert such formats. Granted, I've only submitted like that twice, but didn't hear any complaints.

A 'standard' format like .doc or .odt is best.
 
  


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