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JJJCR 10-01-2013 03:10 AM

RHCE and RHCSA
 
hi guys, what's the pre requisite for the two certs?

RHCSA the RHCE? or what?

JJJCR 10-01-2013 03:13 AM

i check red hat site:

Windows system administrators:
Red Hat System Administration I (RH124)
Red Hat System Administration II with RHCSA Exam (RH135)

Linux or UNIX administrators:
RHCSA Rapid Track Course with Exam (RH200)*

to become RHCSA: can go for RH200 or take the two path RH124 and RH135?

am i correct with my understanding? Thanks :)

druuna 10-01-2013 03:17 AM

To have a valid RHCE you need to have a valid RHCSA.

- Red Hat certifications
- Red Hat Certified System Administrator (RHCSA)
- Red Hat Certified Engineer — RHCE

Quote from the RHCE link:
Quote:

Candidates for RHCE must also earn a RHCSA certification. Candidates may take the RHCE Exam (EX300) before the RHCSA Exam (EX200), but the RHCSA must be earned before RHCE is awarded.

druuna 10-01-2013 03:19 AM

You replied to yourself while I was answering.

You don't need any certification to take/earn RHCSA. Make sure you know the material and sign up for the exam.

JJJCR 10-01-2013 03:26 AM

thanks for the replies guys, i must admit i'm a windows guy.

the two way path should be better right:

Red Hat System Administration I (RH124)
Red Hat System Administration II with RHCSA Exam (RH135)

These two exam will eventually lead to RHCSA right?

druuna 10-01-2013 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5037825)
thanks for the replies guys, i must admit i'm a windows guy.

the two way path should be better right:

Red Hat System Administration I (RH124)
Red Hat System Administration II with RHCSA Exam (RH135)

These two exam will eventually lead to RHCSA right?

Those 2 (RH124 and RH135) are recommendations and not required to take the RHCSA exam.

Assuming that you have Linux (preferably RedHat/CentOS) knowledge I wouldn't invest in those 2 and do the following:

- Make sure you know what the RHCSA objectives are (re-check regularly, they might change over time),
- Buy, beg for or borrow RHCSA/RHCE Red Hat Linux Certification Study Guide (Exams EX200 & EX300),
- Load RedHat/CentOS and start doing the exercises.

Depending on your current knowledge, you'll be ready in a few weeks/months to take the RHCSA exam. The biggest problem during the exam isn't the material itself but the time you have to do all the assignments.

JJJCR 10-01-2013 03:47 AM

I do have the EX200 and EX300 materials from a friend, i have a laptop which should be good enough to handle VMs.

But I want to assemble a new desktop (if budget allows) or i'll try to find a second hand desktop which should be good enough to load CentOS or RedHat.

Wheew..this would be a new journey.. Thanks druuna.

druuna 10-01-2013 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5037833)
I do have the EX200 and EX300 materials from a friend, i have a laptop which should be good enough to handle VMs.

But I want to assemble a new desktop (if budget allows) or i'll try to find a second hand desktop which should be good enough to load CentOS or RedHat.

Make sure your hardware is up to the task. I used the following set-up:

1 - multi-boot system (RHEL 6 being one of the options),
2 - base: minimal graphic RHEL 6 with KVM,
3 - running (at times multiple) VM's from the base system.

The above makes sure you are using a 100% RedHat environment.

Quote:

Thanks druuna.
You're welcome ;)

JJJCR 10-01-2013 05:01 AM

that's a good setup.

That's why I want to get a new or old desktop that can install Redhat.

Because if only VM, I might not be able to install KVM.

I'm not sure whether we can run a virtual machine on the top of another virtual machine. hehehe.. i guess that would not be possible as of this moment.

Thanks again :)

CodeFreaker 10-01-2013 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5037833)
I do have the EX200 and EX300 materials from a friend, i have a laptop which should be good enough to handle VMs.

But I want to assemble a new desktop (if budget allows) or i'll try to find a second hand desktop which should be good enough to load CentOS or RedHat.

Whew..this would be a new journey.. Thanks druuna.

For RHCSA all you need is two CentOS installations your VM with a Virtual Network...:) you must have atleast 1 GB allocated for each vm machines :)

This is how i practiced

JJJCR 10-01-2013 07:52 PM

Thanks for the input CodeFreaker, we can get an evaluation software for RHEL 6 right?

druuna 10-02-2013 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5038274)
We can get an evaluation software for RHEL 6 right?

Although RHEL is a paid for product, you are allowed to use it for testing, studying or evaluation purposes. You won't have access to the on-line repositories (RHN). That shouldn't be a problem, all that is needed is present on the downloaded DVD.

RedHat download page: RedHat Downloads (You do need an account to access the actual download url's).

Once you have downloaded and installed RHEL you might want to have a look here: RHEL local DVD Repo

If you feel uncomfortable using RHEL you can use either of these:
- CentOS
- Scientific Linux

The above 2 are free and almost fully compatible with RHEL.

CodeFreaker 10-02-2013 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5038274)
Thanks for the input CodeFreaker, we can get an evaluation software for RHEL 6 right?

I used CentOS :) download the latest DVD ISO and install in your machine.But make sure to download 32/64 ISO according to your platform.

JJJCR 10-02-2013 04:52 AM

how long does it take to know the result for EX200?

thanks.

druuna 10-02-2013 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5038490)
how long does it take to know the result for EX200?

I took the exam on Friday morning and the result was e-mailed to me Sunday evening (this was almost 2 years ago).

JJJCR 10-02-2013 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by druuna (Post 5038493)
I took the exam on Friday morning and the result was e-mailed to me Sunday evening (this was almost 2 years ago).

Thank you so much for the info druuna..

hmmm..i hope to nail RHCSA.. but i'm still doing MCSE...next in line RHCSA..

so RHCSA expire in 3years or what?

druuna 10-02-2013 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5038524)
so RHCSA expire in 3years or what?

Yep, it expires in 3 years time.

If you still have to do MCSE, you might want to wait until RHEL 7 is released (which might be upon us very soon now).

CodeFreaker 10-02-2013 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5038490)
how long does it take to know the result for EX200?

thanks.

They say with in 2/3 business days..But for me sent same day and i did recently.

JJJCR 10-03-2013 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeFreaker (Post 5039021)
They say with in 2/3 business days..But for me sent same day and i did recently.

congrats CodeFreaker, Hope to nail down RHCSA soon, i'm one exam away for MCSE..

just need to have some few pennies, I think I will need a new desktop to nail down RHCSA.. (my old PC will not support virtualization)

JJJCR 10-03-2013 09:47 PM

Thank you so much for all your help guys, hope to get RHCSA.. woohh... ;)

CodeFreaker 10-04-2013 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJJCR (Post 5038490)
how long does it take to know the result for EX200?

thanks.

Most probably same day :D now :)

JJJCR 10-04-2013 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodeFreaker (Post 5039845)
Most probably same day :D now :)

Same day is good even though no thrill.

Hmm..need to study hard and earn some more pennies..hopefully. :twocents: :study:

paziulek 10-30-2013 09:42 PM

I understand that this thread is marked as >solved<, anyway I rather ask the question here than open a new one, with a almost same topic....
Browsing training & exam sections on redhat's site it is not clearly said that RHCSA and RHCE is available for folks that do not have 124 or 135 or any other redhat training.
Calling both a "prerequisite" is same as "mandatory". So since I was unsure, I requested information, via email directly from redhat:

Quote:

......I am having difficulty finding information on whatever it is >required< to have any RedHat training and/or other certifications in order to do the RHCSA exam.
The RHSCA prerequisites mention "... or equivalent...". Do I need any additional training or could I just schedule the exam at one of the authorized testing centers?....

I also mentioned I that I got over 10 years Linux and Unix experience.... and that I (finally) decided to attempt, and got LPIC-2.
and here is the response:
Quote:

.....
Thank you for contacting Red Hat Training. We appreciate your interest in our training services.

Regarding your request for RHCSA certification, you may take RH124, then RH135 for RHCSA.
You may review and enroll from the links below.
http://www.redhat.com/training/courses/rh124/
http://www.redhat.com/training/courses/rh135/

For RHCA, you may access the link below to review prerequisites and enroll online.
http://www.redhat.com/training/certifications/rhca/

If you need further assistance please call us at 1-866-626-2994 Option 2

Thank You,

Red Hat Training
.....
The response is not answer to my question ( and if it is, than I will decide to study English rather then prepare for RHCSA )
Again, he/she ( I hope not an automated response, after 6 hrs ) is mentioning "prerequisites", which does not mean "optional" or "suggested", but simply is a "requirement".
I am still confused and I feel like sitting in front of a monitor hooked up to a Microsoft Windows (8) machine.
I really like druuna's 3rd post / answer, but the information on RH site just does not confirm it, or the wording is simply wrong.
On the other hand, I am sure that RH would rather have me going through all the training, but I do not see a smallest reason to spend $10K+ to just get a single, $400 certification I need or want...

Thanks everyone!

Mike

druuna 10-31-2013 03:55 AM

@paziulek: As a non native English speaker I'm not going into the nitty-gritty of the English (American?) language, but I am sure about the following:

- From personal experience (and seeing many colleague's do the same thing): You do not need any extra, paid for, training/certificate(s) to take the RHCSA exam. If, looking at the exam objectives, your knowledge is good enough then you can take the exam.

- You need to have a valid RHCSA certificate to get the RHCE certificate. But you do not need a valid RHCSA certificate to take the RHCE exam. Or phrased differently: You can take the RHCE exam and pass, but the actual certificate will not be awarded to you until you pass the RHCSA exam. This makes it possible to take the RHCSA and RHCE exam on the same day.


Is it wise to do some preparations before the exam(s)? Yes, especially when it comes to RHCE. How you prepare and which resources you use are completely up to you. I personally liked the RHCSA/RHCE study guide (see post #6 for the link). It gave me a rough idea what the exams would look like and pointed out which objectives needed some work.

Remember: These certificates are there to validate what you've learned as a system administrator over the years. Taking the RHCSA exam shouldn't be too hard (time constrains aside), just make sure you catch up on those objectives that are "rusty".

paziulek 10-31-2013 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by druuna (Post 5055736)
@paziulek: As a non native English speaker I'm not going into the nitty-gritty of the English (American?) language, but I am sure about the following:

- From personal experience (and seeing many colleague's do the same thing): You do not need any extra, paid for, training/certificate(s) to take the RHCSA exam. If, looking at the exam objectives, your knowledge is good enough then you can take the exam.

- You need to have a valid RHCSA certificate to get the RHCE certificate. But you do not need a valid RHCSA certificate to take the RHCE exam. Or phrased differently: You can take the RHCE exam and pass, but the actual certificate will not be awarded to you until you pass the RHCSA exam. This makes it possible to take the RHCSA and RHCE exam on the same day.


Is it wise to do some preparations before the exam(s)? Yes, especially when it comes to RHCE. How you prepare and which resources you use are completely up to you. I personally liked the RHCSA/RHCE study guide (see post #6 for the link). It gave me a rough idea what the exams would look like and pointed out which objectives needed some work.

Remember: These certificates are there to validate what you've learned as a system administrator over the years. Taking the RHCSA exam shouldn't be too hard (time constrains aside), just make sure you catch up on those objectives that are "rusty".

@druuna - Thank you for your response. English is not my first language - possibility of misunderstanding is quite high. Studying English would have a lot of advantages, but there is too many things that would be great to do, but life is unfortunately too short.
Perfect! I am really glad to hear the great news!
As you suggested, I will spend some time with objectives and study guides before an exam. Often feeling too comfortable is a bit foolish. Every day people are required to redo their driver's license after driving a car for 20 years - many fail the test.

Thank you again druuna, for the priceless information and good advices!

Mike


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