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Old 01-18-2007, 08:42 PM   #16
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If you install gentoolkit you'll a program called equery which do exactly that. Not to mention give other excellent tools like revdep-rebuild, which you'll want without a doubt.
 
Old 01-21-2007, 04:43 PM   #17
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If you'd prefer a Gnome app, or you just want to try an alternative, there's also app-portage/porthole.
 
Old 01-21-2007, 11:21 PM   #18
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Thank you for the positive input.

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If you'd prefer a Gnome app, or you just want to try an alternative, there's also app-portage/porthole.
It's good to see someone stay on topic, rather than trying introduce issues which have no bearing on it!
 
Old 01-22-2007, 07:51 AM   #19
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Lightbulb I wish to thank you!

To: Penguin of Wonder.
And no, I am not being sarcastic! Seriously, despite what has seemed to have developed into a dust-up between us, I decided to check out your home page. In doing so, I have now started my own. So I appreciate that inspite of whatever conflict may have formed, a greater good has evolved from it.

Firstly, I am not disposing of the use of commandline. I use it myself, though probably not to the extent that you have. I am a visual person. It is simply how I and many others engage the world. Some are auditory, others are tactile. And given a choice, I would much rather have a conversant relationship with my computer than not. There are many facets of the human psyche, all of them as relevant as the other. I have found through the course of my life not to minimize the assets or deficits of another simply because they are not my own.

Secondly, I am very aware of context. And the context of this thread was the use of graphical user interfaces. It was not formed as a means to debate one technique over another, but simply as a means to share information within the context of this thread. I guess I am too old to be amused by conflicts over trivia, as I so often see on many sites like this where someone feels the need to discredit the context of any given topic. Hence my harsh words towards you.

I am sorry. I hope that you and others could remain in the context of any particular thread. Thank you!

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Old 01-22-2007, 07:59 AM   #20
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Shingohsi,

Don't worry about it. I'm not fighting with you. In the spirit of a thread based off of alternatives, I was merely giving you a choice. I'm not going to lie, you managed to pull up some, uhh, uncommon software. I was just giving you the more widely used version.
 
Old 01-22-2007, 12:29 PM   #21
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Thumbs up Ok, let's do this over!!

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Shingohsi,

Don't worry about it. I'm not fighting with you. In the spirit of a thread based off of alternatives, I was merely giving you a choice. I'm not going to lie, you managed to pull up some, uhh, uncommon software. I was just giving you the more widely used version.
Cool. That's what I am inclined to think first. Now, I would like to invite you to work with me on a project which is of interest to me. I believe your apparent strengths in coding may be of definite benefit. I think you either mentioned here or on your website, that you may have an AMD64.

I am using an AMD Opteron 2000 series system which I personally built. I am somewhat discouraged by the dribble of applications available for it. Yes I know that there are some, but I have this habit of installing things that others might pass over. What I want in particular is to build a Terminal Server with as many applications on it as possible. Running Gentoo is new to me.

Having come from a background in Slackware, this is taking some getting used to. I am very enamored with the build system, which drew me to Gentoo to begin with. I have Slamd64 installed as my base system and chroot into Gentoo-AMD64 to build the system I am hoping to replace my current one with.

I want to create a sub-group of Gentoo dedicated to the deployment of clustered servers, having all other prerequisite tools on the installation disk. Now it may be that Gentoo already has what I am looking for. I don't know, because I performed an installation of Gentoo on a separate disk within a running system.

Now, how all of this is inline with this thread, while also including commandline strengths? I would like you to help me with the underlying code, the scripts if you will, which are responsible for providing the interface I believe is required by individuals who need them to deploy very large systems with a minimum of effort. Commandline is fine for you and I when we have the time for it. However, people who are on tight schedules need a lot of strength with speed. That equates to very strong code behind an equally intuitive environment.

If this would be of interest to you and anyone else reading this, write and let me know.

Thank You!

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Old 01-22-2007, 01:31 PM   #22
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Something like that already exists. How closely it resembles what you want, I'm not sure. Personally I don't know bash well enough to help you do what you want to do (though its not hard to learn, I just never sat down to do it).

Here is a list of official Gentoo Projects:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/index.xml?showlevel=3

Catalyst, if I understand you correctly, would probably be the most interest to you. Also check the Gentoo Wiki. It has a lot of "unofficial" information about installing, configuring, and running Gentoo.
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Main_Page

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Old 01-22-2007, 05:29 PM   #23
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Just wondering. Why those GUI people want to run Gentoo? There is a plethora of GUI-oriented Linux'es to choose from. Without knowing Gentoo internals they get nothing but a system which is limping on both legs - definitely not better than binary distros.

Edit: Check out porthole.
 
Old 01-22-2007, 05:51 PM   #24
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Why those GUI people want to run Gentoo?
Even a Gentoo user may find a use for a GUI now and then. Personaly, I use emerge, eix & Co most of the time and porthole whenever I want to browse through the available software, for example to find some game I haven't tried yet. The point is, neither GUI nor CLI is the perfect solution for each and every task.
 
Old 01-22-2007, 06:02 PM   #25
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Agreed, I use porthole for very same reason. Frankly, I never started it with root rights so I do not know if it can actually emerge.
CLI is great for system management, GUI is irreplaceable for user. I could use links to browse this forum, I prefer FF. OTOH for changing system settings I do not choose a clumsy GUI program (do not have any anyhow).
 
Old 01-28-2007, 08:53 AM   #26
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Master Foo Discourses on the GUI.

 
Old 01-28-2007, 11:50 AM   #27
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Just wondering. Why those GUI people want to run Gentoo? There is a plethora of GUI-oriented Linux'es to choose from. Without knowing Gentoo internals they get nothing but a system which is limping on both legs - definitely not better than binary distros.

Edit: Check out porthole.
Are we back to the arrogance of, "I am better than you because I am so much more enlightened than you are?

I came to Gentoo because I really love building software. That's it. When you ask the question like this, you are essentially saying that people who want GUI's are below everyone else who doesn't. You can keep believing that if you want. Frankly, I don't care. I will continue to use GUI's as frequently as possible to observe and verify the things that I wish to accomplish. And while you keep praising yourselves about how superior you are, I'll be getting all of my work done in a shorter amount of time than you and with less stress.

By the way, did you know the world is flat?
 
Old 01-28-2007, 12:04 PM   #28
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When you ask the question like this, you are essentially saying that people who want GUI's are below everyone else who doesn't.
You say that. Not me. You think like that. Not me.

And while you keep praising yourselves about how superior you are
Again, you think so and you say so. Not me.

I'll be getting all of my work done in a shorter amount of time than you and with less stress.
You have obviously no clue what you are talking about? Indeed, if you are not familiar with CLI stay with GUI. But why you think other people have similar restriction?
 
Old 01-28-2007, 12:46 PM   #29
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Thumbs up Why THOSE GUI people want to run Gentoo?

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When you ask the question like this, you are essentially saying that people who want GUI's are below everyone else who doesn't.
You say that. Not me. You think like that. Not me.

And while you keep praising yourselves about how superior you are
Again, you think so and you say so. Not me.

I'll be getting all of my work done in a shorter amount of time than you and with less stress.
You have obviously no clue what you are talking about? Indeed, if you are not familiar with CLI stay with GUI. But why you think other people have similar restriction?
You may think that you are not being denegrating. But when anyone uses the phrase "THOSE PEOPLE", it is definitely a term to separate one group from another. It poses a condition of "us against them". It is further amplified by the statement, "There is a plethora of GUI-oriented Linux'es to choose from." If you don't think that expressly states that "we GUI'ers' have made a poor decision by using Gentoo, think again. Furthermore, it assumes that because they want a GUI, they are incapable or unwilling to use commandline. So you are not immune from assumptions either. Why exactly are you commenting here anyway? What other purpose does it serve than to profess your innate sense of superiority. Maybe you find that term offensive, as well you should.

There was nothing complementary intended by your comment. It is purely a statement of judgement and exclusion. GUI'ers don't belong here! So all like you can keep kidding yourselves. Telling someone to move to another neighborhood is no more segragative than saying you don't belong in Gentoo because "we" want something that "you" don't. It is nonetheless prejudice. It's just another form of it. So if you are offended by being called on your presumption of superiority, be offended.
 
Old 01-28-2007, 02:49 PM   #30
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Please keep it peaceful!

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When you ask the question like this, you are essentially saying that people who want GUI's are below everyone else who doesn't.
No. He's (rightfully) saying that you can't configure every feature of Gentoo from a GUI and it doesn't come with all of the available maintenance GUIs pre-installed. Hence, Gentoo is not exactly ideal for people who want a GUI for each and every task (incidentally, nice link, Master Emerson ).

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There was nothing complementary intended by your comment.
Even if you apparently already read Emerson's mind, please read again the post you find so offensive and think again about what he really says about whom. Particularly the bits you interestingly haven't taken apart yet.

I'm only saying this because I think there's a chance you're honestly trying to fight arrogant behavior against newbies or people who prefer GUIs. Maybe you've made some bad experiences, but fighting every mention of non-GUI alternatives isn't helping anyone, either.
 
  


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