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Old 09-15-2004, 02:59 PM   #1
pevelius
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windows has lotīs of potential...


...bugs.

i do my 925 (thatīs nine to five, i donīt know if native english speakers say it like that) with windows 2000(3d, video, photoshop, director stuff).

well, i updated my compu through windows update. it i was sloppy and selected all. ms decided that they should trash my carefully chosen nvidia quadro drivers and install some "update" instead. i noticed this only after reboot and didnīt have a working quadro.
so i removed drivers, re-installed nvidia and rebooted. it is still broken (weird overlay bugs, but 3d works now)
after 2 weeks i installed auto updates (didnīt go to windows update this time). so, only critical updates, i belived.
3dsmax didnīt start.
so, i re-installed it applied 2 updates to it and rebooted.
windows starts to tell me during boot: there are security problems with jpeg. do you want to check which programs are affected and apply security patch?
come on, jpeg? how can an os be so crappy it cannot even deal with pictures properly? why is it that a picture file can be made to wipe your hd or take control of machine?
i thought that pictures were allways safe to use, since they donīt need to be executed, only shown. who is the idiot coding intelligent programs to execute information stored in picture files? hell, to me they contain only .txt exif info and rgb values!

i am shocked. i seriously need to re-adjust my thinking. writing this from home on powerbook via debian server.

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Old 09-15-2004, 03:14 PM   #2
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So let me get this straight....you told windows to install their generic updates to your nvidia drivers....which caused you all sorts of issues.....and now you blame the OS? IMO I think there was more user error involved then you had said because depsite the strong anti-ms sentiments here at this site I have never experienced such a massive failure of things simply for installing "generic" drivers....But hey I could be wrong but I doubt this is the whole story all the same.
 
Old 09-16-2004, 12:53 AM   #3
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i had MAJOR problems with nvidia drivers in bf1942(nvidias fault, all the way) and then when i installed beta drivers hoping they fixed it, it messed it up even more and i had to revert.

damn thing, i bought an ATI 9600 card after that incident, and im getting 300fps in glxgears cause the drivers wont work. i heard good things about x.org though. i hope this is fixed. dont forget to sign the petition in my sig. signatures of it have stagnated lately.
 
Old 09-16-2004, 01:02 AM   #4
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Quote:
Originally posted by stabile007
So let me get this straight....you told windows to install their generic updates to your nvidia drivers....which caused you all sorts of issues.....and now you blame the OS? IMO I think there was more user error involved then you had said because depsite the strong anti-ms sentiments here at this site I have never experienced such a massive failure of things simply for installing "generic" drivers....But hey I could be wrong but I doubt this is the whole story all the same.
you are right, i take all the blame from installing drivers via windows update. i was sloppy. but i believe i can blame ms if i cannot uninstall drivers installed via wupdate. and i can blame nvidia if i cannot install their drivers properly after installing ms update drivers.
i blame the os for letting jpeg take over your machine.
 
Old 09-16-2004, 01:33 AM   #5
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I can confirm that a series of automatic MS updates via internet can lead to disaster. I saw that on my father-in-law's PC with XP...

Yves.
 
Old 09-16-2004, 04:24 AM   #6
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Worked at a startup company a while ago and after they got all their shiny new Dell's setup and configured it took about 2 days for all the boxes to be clinical.Of course the M$ fixes only made it worse.Had to setup a O/S-2 box I installed to fetch the email for the whole company
 
Old 09-16-2004, 06:22 AM   #7
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Whatever happened to OS/2? That was one badass OS.
 
Old 09-16-2004, 06:38 AM   #8
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The company I was at bought it from IBM although they don't support it anymore (380,-- outch).Ecomstation is running that show now.

If anybody thinks installing Linux is bad go and try that.
 
Old 09-16-2004, 06:46 AM   #9
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Quote:
Originally posted by nuka_t
i had MAJOR problems with nvidia drivers in bf1942(nvidias fault, all the way) and then when i installed beta drivers hoping they fixed it, it messed it up even more and i had to revert.
the error here is between the keyboard and the chair........there is nothing wrong with Nvidia drivers......
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damn thing, i bought an ATI 9600 card after that incident, and im getting 300fps in glxgears cause the drivers wont work. i heard good things about x.org though. i hope this is fixed. dont forget to sign the petition in my sig. signatures of it have stagnated lately. [/B]
ATI could care less about some stupid petition................the only way to get their attention is to NOT buy their products.............
 
Old 09-16-2004, 06:50 AM   #10
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"ATI could care less about some stupid petition"

You mean: couldn't care less. That is the correct usage.
 
Old 09-16-2004, 07:34 AM   #11
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There was some discussion at the Celestia forum about the program no longer starting after the Win update replaced users nvidia drivers with some useless MS version.

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Most likely the Windows Update Wizzard updated your video drivers to Microsofts version. This will not allow Celestia to load. I can almost garantee this is the problem. Always reinstall your video drivers after any kind of a service pack update. Also always, always do not install any video drivers from Microsoft. They are always nuetered to work with Direct X and to not work well with OpenGL. This is because Microsoft wants OpenGL to disapear and they are hoping that you won't be smart enough to go your video card chipset maker for the real drivers.
More here:

http://shatters.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5706

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