Will X11 disappear?

patrick295767 · 08-04-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitt Green

That's another moment. I don't really understand why people use offices, when there are too many programmes to do the job. To me it's even less important than a new windowing system or a protocol.

On PC/Mac, almost everyone use MS-Office. Nothing to do about it... unfortunately or not. MS Office is very important nowadays (in the real world of industry, engineering, medical,...).

RadicalDreamer · 08-04-2016, 06:30 PM

I guess the fate of X11 depends on how Wayland performs, if any functions are missing/not working, if it has maintainers, and what dependencies (deal breakers) it accumulates.

273 · 08-05-2016, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Xeratul

Just today, I went shopping and at the kassa, there was a computer and ... Linux, KDE with a software made for the money, payments,...
Linux is everywhere.

If xwayland is not or not x11 compatibility, lot of people won't be happy and might loose quite a lot of money.

For people that are in the informatic industry, it is great to play with new graphic coding environment.
However, for people working and living in the real industrial world, change in informatics can be cause of lot of money additional cost *sometimes*.

As I mentioned both KDE and GNOME now have Wayland versions. I'll admit that as mentioned I've not had either working properly on my systems but the fact that both teams are working on Wayland versions means that there is no need to ditch either.
As to applications costing money as I understand it it's the application logic that costs money not the interface, which can be written and re-written independently, so the costs in changing this are minimal and that's ignoring the X11 support built into Wayland.

patrick295767 · 08-05-2016, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 273

** I understand it it's the application logic that costs money not the interface, which can be written and re-written independently, **

Have you ever coded a large project? You don't bring X11 to pure Wayland effortless, without additional cost, believe me.

273 · 08-05-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by patrick295767

Have you ever coded a large project? You don't bring X11 to pure Wayland effortless, without additional cost, believe me.

I haven't coded a large project, no, my coding has just been some simple courses and messing around. However I have spoken to many developers and have not heard that UI design is expensive.
Care to give examples?

dugan · 08-05-2016, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by patrick295767

Have you ever coded a large project? You don't bring X11 to pure Wayland effortless, without additional cost, believe me.

A typical large project would just wait for every lower layer of the stack (middleware and preferred Linux distribution) to be Wayland-ready.

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For office work, i.e. typing on Latex,

Look, I know that you started your last batch of threads partly to have a laugh, but this part is a bit much.

jpollard · 08-05-2016, 02:19 PM

One of the reasons X11 has been denigrated is due to its rather talkiness on the network. Thus wayland with NO network appears faster.

Unfortunately, as soon as you add a network, you get back to the same problem. I understand wayland tries to address this by forcing every client to its own compositing (slows down the application by having to do it all in software), and then forward the result...

Personally, the talkiness is used to maintain interactivity... and with the newer networks being 10-100 times faster, is much less noticeable.

Personally, I think things could be handled better by having the "toolkit" environment standardized, and included as a plugin to the server. That way you get whatever display environment you want via the plugin, and the application doesn't have to create multiple windows for dialogs/buttons/what have you.