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Old 02-22-2007, 12:22 PM   #31
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I think that there is a market for many distros, whether Linux is being used on a cash register or calculator, or if you want your computer to be a show-off machine with lots of eye candy. Some people just want to get things done and move on.

My own preference has been KDE, and I would really like to encourage more Windows users to take the plunge. KDE looks and acts a lot like Windows and might be easier for a newbie to learn.

Depending on the user I'm recommending it for, I might choose ubuntu or Kubuntu - some people might have an easier time with the simplicity of Gnome. Some people might have a machine that has a hard time running lots of background apps.

Bottom line: there's a Linux for everybody and for every use.
 
Old 02-22-2007, 12:31 PM   #32
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Only reason people like either one really is they come pre-installed on the distro or in a package. If you ever had to compile gnome or KDE from scratch you would dislike either one such as I do. Gnome needs help from dependency hell. We need to move more of the files that have no other use into a single lib or set of libs rather then the nasty smathering of libs we have now. An example is the ablity to burn a disk from the file manager ?? Even if i dont want to do this i still have to compile the stupid lib as its required for the file manager.

Don't fret gnome because my KDE bashing is about to begin here. KDE yes its nice when it wants to compile correctly. Even with the good documentation of KDE with BLFS KDE still rains in my pice of shit bin . QT is horrid and takes forever to compile. I remeber my days spending 2 hours compiling qt just to find out in the end that it errors out.. YAY another 2 hours to see if i fixed the issue or not. I have yet to get mysqul to be able to get compiled into qt correctly as it just errors to no end. Maybe this is fixed now and yes it compiles faster on newer hardware. And after all that KDE still failes to compile correctly sometimes and sometimes it does but everything is missing or doesn't work. At least Gnome worked the first time around when I compiled it last but KDE was elusive to be able to get compiled correctly. This might have some issues to do with the instructions that blfs has and the newer versions of kde avalible im not sure.

My point is that there are other window managers around and I still see fluxbox and icewm and xfce (I used xfce for a long time but there current version with Dbus integration made me leave) being used extensivly. The main distros stay to kde and gnome because they are easy to use and windows users are comfortable in that environment. as for me im staying in icewm for the moment and maybe even window maker not sure yet. Alot of Gnome and KDE is just fluff for me anyway as i change my settings via the text files in the system. Then again I am kinda special as I made my system from the ground up and its customised for me.
Here's to those of us still capable of rolling our own Even still, the integration offered by a DE is nice. I hear you on the Xfce and DBUS issue. Concerns me as well. But at least it is a Freedesktop.org "standard". Another thing that concerns me, even more actually, about Xfce is that the HIG virus will spoil it.
 
Old 02-22-2007, 12:32 PM   #33
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Funny, a couple of weeks ago I read an article asking if Ubuntu wasn't giving KDE the cold shoulder and preferring Gnome!

I lean towards KDE, but I certainly wouldn't want Gnome to disappear. To me linux means choice - MY choice of what I want to use, rather than being forced into a "choice of one" by the morally and legally doubtful commercial attempts at monopolizing a market of certain software producers.
So, I believe we need to keep as much choice as possible - each "competitor" keeping the others honest, each inspiring the others often, collaborating actively on occasion. My thanks to them all for giving ME the choice
UHm.. I don't think so. Shuttleworth recently said that if he had it to do over again he would have bundled KDE right from the start. Don't recall the article but it was a direct quote from the man himself. Can only find this at the moment:

"When Mark originally chose Gnome one of the primary driving factors was the 6-month release schedule (which *Ubuntu syncs with). He actually switched to using KDE/Kubuntu on his own machines two releases ago. So no worries for KDE users, "sabdfl" is one of you."

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Old 02-22-2007, 01:35 PM   #34
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Here's to those of us still capable of rolling our own Even still, the integration offered by a DE is nice. I hear you on the Xfce and DBUS issue. Concerns me as well. But at least it is a Freedesktop.org "standard". Another thing that concerns me, even more actually, about Xfce is that the HIG virus will spoil it.
Shudder yea. Only issue I have with DBUS is that you can accomplish things without using it. Plus its another running daemon on my system that I wont use or have any need for. If they bundled it with xorg then I would not complain about it but the way it is currently is just stupid in my opinion. The last time I looked on freedesktop.org I think i found a grand total of 10 apps that make use of it... I dont see the benefits outweighing the security risk of a running daemon all the time thats used only in the X server .

EDIT: Reading a bit about D-BUS online concerns me regarding it sharing events with user and kernel land this sounds a bit too windowsey to me and sounds like a good exploit for a virus or spyware

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