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View Poll Results: Why do I submit controversial posts?
No topic is controversial 6 30.00%
I get a kick out of seeing people flame one another 1 5.00%
I just want to voice my humbe (or not so humble) opinion 4 20.00%
I want a serious discussion on the topic I post 6 30.00%
No particular reason! 1 5.00%
I never submit controversial posts 8 40.00%
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Old 08-19-2004, 09:44 AM   #1
vharishankar
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Why submit controversial posts?


Hello. I am a newcomer to this forum in particular and online forums in general. I have read plenty of threads here and I am interested in the opinions of forum users and particularly the more experienced ones.

Some relatively harmless threads blow out into huge flame wars (I still don't understand what 'flaming' technically means) and some of the more controversial threads die down to a natural death or cool off.

So here's my poll.

Why do people post controversial topics on forums like these?

For my own sake, I would refrain from posting controversial topics...
 
Old 08-19-2004, 10:16 AM   #2
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Re: Why submit controversial posts?

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Originally posted by Harishankar
Hello. I am a newcomer to this forum in particular and online forums in general. I have read plenty of threads here and I am interested in the opinions of forum users and particularly the more experienced ones.

Some relatively harmless threads blow out into huge flame wars (I still don't understand what 'flaming' technically means) and some of the more controversial threads die down to a natural death or cool off.

So here's my poll.

Why do people post controversial topics on forums like these?

For my own sake, I would refrain from posting controversial topics...
A board like this has a lot of different opinions from all around. Americans can get other peoples views that are not from America... and vice versa... I think this is a good place to post controversial stuff.

I visit a few other fourums that are local to my area.. you get a lot (not all) of narrow minded opinions on controversial subjects... SO I see this being a good place to get other outside opinions.. please take no offense to me using the term outside )
 
Old 08-19-2004, 10:33 AM   #3
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I think its just human nature to like to argue and express your own opinion, which is fine but some just take it way too seriously and can't drop it when they should. Express your opinion and views, read others, share your thoughts and then move on, no need to ever get in a fuss over others point of views, its just not worth fighting over 99% of the time.
 
Old 08-19-2004, 10:59 AM   #4
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I've noticed that on some forums people post KDE vs GNOME or Intel vs AMD to start flame wars so that they get some enjoyment from people flaming each other.
 
Old 08-19-2004, 11:46 AM   #5
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Originally posted by reddazz
I've noticed that on some forums people post KDE vs GNOME or Intel vs AMD to start flame wars so that they get some enjoyment from people flaming each other.
So some one can get an idea about what is the best? & Why shoud (s)he could use it?
It is a good reason:-)
 
Old 08-19-2004, 11:57 AM   #6
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I don't post controversial threads, but I do enjoy reading everyone's opnion. I think some people enjoy the rush from flaming each other.
 
Old 08-19-2004, 12:00 PM   #7
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But both of those topics have been covered and re-covered so many times that anyone with a genuine interest in the reasons would do the research first before posting. The fact is that there is a small sub-section of all populations that enjoy arguing. Good ways to start a flame war are to question the reasons for attacking a country (someone will always go one step too far and someone else will perceive that as being an online attack against their country), religion is always good for a laugh (you can practically guarantee a huge argument taking in war, politics, womens rights, human rights, etc) and other similar things.

If you don't want one to start, think about your question: are you asking people to form "camps" to defend their opinion? do you genuinely want to know or are you just bored? has the question been asked before and what were the reactions?
 
Old 08-20-2004, 03:11 AM   #8
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Well, from what I've read in some of the threads so far, I feel that the philosophical arguments over Win vs. Lin etc. grow so quickly that the original issues get buried deep within.

For what it's worth, here' my little theory
  • The greater the technicality of the subject, the lesser the controversy.
  • The greater the subjectivity of the topic, the greater the controversy.
I totally agree with XavierP that some subjects keep on and on and on... ad infinitum until some moderator or the other closes down the thread (Thankfully for all involved )

EDIT: I really haven't much experience with other forums yet, but from what I've seen LQ seems to be relatively well-behaved.

Last edited by vharishankar; 08-20-2004 at 03:22 AM.
 
Old 08-20-2004, 03:24 AM   #9
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Originally posted by Harishankar
# The greater the technicality of the subject, the lesser the controversy.
# The greater the subjectivity of the topic, the greater the controversy.
Generally speaking, technical subjects tend to be very focused: "my pc is not working correctly, it should do this, it does this and gives me this messge. Why is it happening?" There tends to be no room for controversy as the question asks you for your opinion but on one thing - no need to ramble off into 15 other issues - unless they relate directly to the original topic. Additionally, other posters to that thread will shut the person down because they want to help.

Contrast this with a thread about politics, religion, beards or anything at all - the brain immediately goes into freefall, especially if you have a half thought out theory and need to justify yourself. Also, there are people who like to bait the people who post in these threads.

# If you were, as an example, to post a thread about Iraq (dangerous in itself), I can guarantee that someone would reply and reference the "imperialistic aims of the US".

# Almost immediately (do we have psychics posting in General? ) someone will post back and state that the previous poster is "anti-American".
This person will say "no I am not (even though I'm not American) but I disagree with the tactics of Bush" (see that, Bush, while probably not yet mentioned is now a factor"

# The second poster will say "if it weren't for us, the whole world would be Nazi", the path of the thread can now be plotted - we have many of them and none of them are anything special.
 
Old 08-20-2004, 04:21 AM   #10
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My hair generally stands on end when I read posts which get really nasty (I guess I'm just a poor, sensitive fellow)

But here's one particular thread that I read (on this forum) which afforded me some smiles. For obvious reasons I am not stating the original posters' names and also not reproducing the text exact. But here's how it went...
Quote:
(beginning of thread)
A : <put some topic of interest/potentially controversial here>
..
..
B: <start a fight with A>
..
..
<At this point B and A cool off their fight>
..
C: Obviously A is just a <offensive word here>.
..
B: What an intelligent being C is! Come on folks! Bow before him! Hey C - just crawl back to your hole like the worm you are.
D: Well done, B! That shows him!
(the thread goes on... needless to say C never shows up again! )
 
Old 08-20-2004, 04:26 AM   #11
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Just one thread. There are a large number of threads that that could have come from.
 
Old 08-20-2004, 04:37 AM   #12
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The thing I find so interesting about this forum is the fact that the majority of people's opinions are much more liberal then other places. This leads me to believe that Linux and open-source software communities are much more liberal in general.

P.S. I realize that some would tag this post as "flame-bait". I am simply stating my opinion.

P.P.S. I also realize the irony in posting this so called "flame-bait" in a thread that asks why people post "flame-bait". My point is that the term "flame-bait" is a dysphemism for someones opinion that is not the same as yours or against the general consensus.
 
Old 08-20-2004, 04:42 AM   #13
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Oh no, Crashed_Again. I don't consider your post as a flame-bait

I only consider these as flame-baits. Probably there are more things that can be added to that list.
  • Personal attacks.
  • Total disregard to others' opinions/arrogance.
  • Completely ignoring suggestions and repeatedly complaining.
 
Old 08-20-2004, 04:55 AM   #14
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I disagree with your description of flame-bait. Your 'normal' debates are good discussions about a range of things, if they are hijacked then it is usually through no fault of the original posters.

Flame-bait is when someone posts a thread under the guise of wanting a rational discussion, but their subject is well-known as one which causes controversy - "Gulf War II Good or Bad Idea?", "Christian Religion vs Muslim Religion", "What About Those Feminists Then, Eh?", "KDE vs Gnome", "Bush is my God Because....". It is for this reason that I advocate and encourage evryone to either Search or read through the closed posts in General - if you want to ask one of those questions genuinely see what has happenend before and ask yourself "Is it worth the trouble and do I really want to be thought of as a Troll?"

My 0.01 (2 cents in real money )
 
Old 08-20-2004, 05:02 AM   #15
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Quote:
Originally posted by XavierP:
I disagree with your description of flame-bait. Your 'normal' debates are good discussions about a range of things, if they are hijacked then it is usually through no fault of the original posters.
Hmm... Extremely interesting that point of view. Never occured to me before. Thank you!
 
  


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