These aggravations that everyday people must cope with (having housing for family) should be the motivation that drives the opensource/Free Software community to use the tools I mentioned in my 1st post and get to work.

Somebody that has experience in doing a project on sourceforge.net could start a project that would start looking into specs. of a webserving app that could perform the functions that I mentioned. Allowing one to login, proving somehow it's that one person, & nobody else. Having topics/policies show up based on your location and allowing you to vote on each message giving it a higher or lower visability. This would then lead to an virtual government that would slowly turn into real government policies later on.

Sure there are valid excuses for not having internet access but as time passes by more & more will get connected and this possible party will be ahead of the game in getting these folks a way to participate in government and maybe a motivation in itself to get connected. Also understand that people connected now are likely to be more aware & intelligent of things going on around them providing a benefit to this possible party.

Ok but the point is still this: Why would people care to take the time to read about a topic about a new federal Water Supply restrictions when there may be a topic about the death tax? They won't. And you can;t force them to or then you are pretty much an oppresive government party. In fact the time it would take for everyone to log on and view their 100's of poltiical issues a day and vote on them is sooooooooo much more annoying then the current system of voting once every few years.

Thats why people tolerate our government currently. It does what they want them to do. Its total job is to go over every single bill that mst people didn;t even know existed and to vote appropiately. Im sorry I just do not see what you are trying to get at with your idea. Linux is an OS open-source, is a licensing scheme, niether of which apply to politics.

it seems that life are getting much much better for everybody as times goes by........

without our virtual goverment



does MS's and the rest's monopolistic tactics apply to politics ? Internationally not only nationally ?

Perhaps, then representatives can be picked based on their views/messages they post. Everybody will be able to post messages and those messages will be given a thumb up or down by other members. The messages with the most thumbups will be at the top of visibility giving it the potential for even more thumbups and the ability to stay #1 in visibility while other messages will follow in popularity & visibility. The downside is that more radical views will be at the bottom of the heap and people may not get time to look at them. But is this a bad thing???

all corporations have the ability to influence politcal parties in whatever country by giving donations that allow the party to stay in power. So yes, they have political sway, and many people would say to much sway to the point where the people as a whole are under represented.

hmm,at least you don't brainstorming for no reason.
But , all these languages :

"given a thumb up or down by other members"
"at the top of visibility"
"the potential for even more thumbups"
"stay #1 in visibility"

are the ones that used to engineered the under representation of the masses.
In the end :

"more radical views will be at the bottom of the heap and people may not get time to look at them"

and that is a sucess.

The point is we can't reinvent the whole social structure down to the last single "bytes" which is consciously engineered in order to under represent the "faceless" masses.It is definately self defeating.And this is what all those so called "radical" movement ,be it political ones or software licence ones,are doing right now.

Need to create or educate somthing which are more down to earth.
No necessarily must be a creation of a system,be it virtual,web-based,politically-based,concret-based or lincenced-based ,housing certain progressive ideas.

The website would be created for that purpose. To find common ground amongst the opensource & Free Software Movement folks not just on their software beliefs but everything else. Word of mouth may take place just like the linux movement and boom!!! You have a party. Every issue that the government faces would be up for discussion in a hierarchal form that would be easy to navigate, post, rate, etc... with messages. Calculations would then be used to figure out representatives of the party, what policies for each member should be looked at(priority for your city, county,state for example). Perhaps an ideal government can be created and then movement of the party in the current government towards the ideal. The problems come in who should represent the party if direct voting is not feasible. One idea is posted above.

Which is exactly the system in place now. State Representatives are made aware of the peoples view through all communcation outlets available be they polls, emails, letters, phone calls. Those representives basically vote on what the majority wants.

As for the the "radical" views. Im sorry that whole statment is wrong. Just because its is less popular does not make it any less important.

Or so you would love to believe. Where is your proof? Yes they have political sway but then the biggest sway is the fact that people need to vote for them to get them into power and keep them there so who has the most power? The voters. And they know that too.

You don't have to be sorry , it just simply not economically feasible in the context of national interest in it current state,but when will it be economically feasible ?

Corporations only have sway if allowed to by politicians. But a major motivation in this country is raising finances to one up the opponent for media time. Corporations also sway voters in tv media and other media outlets. Why is it that you can't purchase single channels but rather have to get whole packages of channels. This to me is a way for corporations to get their foot in your living room and to your children. Parental control would be easier if one could purchase channels one by one every month. Media is a huge influence on a country's voters.

If you had to sift through mountains of info on different aspects/solutions of a problem to see what you would accept. Would you want to see what most other people concur with 1st or have it thrown all at you at once?

my whole argument is basically trying to say that its just not fair either way. You canot focus on one and not the other.

That isn't even relevant!?