Why Linux sucks - Merely an Opinion
 

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Don't take it seriously, because it's written in an immature way. When you read it, read between the lines. And do not check this link with Internet Explorer because I've blocked Internet Explorer completely. Most of you Linux users don't use IE anyway, but I'm talking about the Windows users who hang here.

After you've read it, discuss it. I want to know if you agree/disagree with the arguments I've made.

Here's my opinions.

True, Linux for a long time has only been the realm for geeks. It's only now just starting to begin the translation to User Friendly ideals.

I don't really agree with this. There are plenty of examples in Windows that are just as "goofy" as some of these.

Hmm. My experience is that they are usually pretty helpful and take most comments seriously.

I'd have to agree. My mother for example certainly dosn't want to do this. Bust most distros provide generic binary packages, even Gentoo which is at it's best if compiled from source has binary packages. For example, i use the pre-compiled binary packages for OpenOffice.

I believe there is a push towards that. I can't think of the name right now.

This isn't a Linux specific issue. Even windows has these issues, it's just called a different name: "DLL hell". It's the same thing. The thing with most Windows apps is that they include the DLL's when you install the software.

Wrong. People don't not use Linux because it's crap, i've found people don't use it because they don't KNOW about it. I have NEVER seen an advertisment for Linux on TV. But when was the last time you saw a Microsoft AD? Yesterday?

Geez.. at least read the details about that qoute:

My name is Linus, and I am your god." (1998)
Source: at the Linux Expo, Durham, North Carolina
Notes: Linus explains it in Just For Fun that it was just a joke - an irony, because he never felt confortable about people standing up and clapping before he even said anything at presentations.

This is a user preference. I like the way Linux allows the use of either where Microsoft has just about killed of the Command Line all together. Some things can be done faster in command-line than in GUI. Although in Linux with a proper Desktop Environment you never even have to see the command-line so it's not a requirement to use the command-line.

Why would we want to start a discussion with an obvious troll?

Baltika

At least he/she/it admitted it was:
Doesn't that count for anything?

Well I must say that I do not agree with your "arguments" that you presented in this "work." You do admit that it was written in an immature way (and I agree whole-heartedly), but if there was a point that you wanted to get across I think it was clouded by the poor style and organization of the document.

Why give up so fast on this small issue. If your network setup was configured for anything other than DHCP windows internet wouldn't have worked either. None of the OS's can automagically detect that you need DHCP or static IP or something else that is the users responsibility in my opinion.

There are always fanboys with respect to anything that has more than one side. There are ATI fanboys, NVIDIA fan boys as well as MS and Linux fanboys. You claim that it is "typical" behaviour that linux fans believe that nothing is wrong with linux. I completely disagree. If every linux geek thought linux was perfect why would they spend time improving it? It doesn't make sense to me.

You contradict yourself here. You say that you ran Xandros and Mandrake for 7 months without issues (which implies user friendliness, based on your argument) then you turn around and say that linux isn't user friendly. The "user friendliness" of linux is distribution dependent and as you mentioned it varies. If you want a no hassle distro stick with the distros that you didn't have problems with or try some of the other well known "user friendly" distros.

How can you jump to that conclusion? If no one wanted to compile things from source then metadistributions like Gentoo (and I'm sure there are others) wouldn't even exist. Again the great thing about open source is that you can choose a distribution where you would not have to do that. Yes I'll admit sometimes you might have to but that's part of life. Get used to it.

The fact that you think linux is unattractive is YOUR point of view. The goal of Linux (and open source in general) is not to "conquer and rule the world" and not to "bust and beat Microsoft's ass". In my opinion the goal of linux and the open source community is to provide another alternative for those that want to try.

I promise I'm almost done (just bored infact), 2 more things:

I'm glad you atleast mentioned that Linux and Firefox are not competing in the same area because I believe others would have had a field day with this. This completely invalidates your argument though. There is no use comparing something when they aren't on the same level. Firefox is a browser and has a much more specific scope then linux (and windows) saying that one is simpler to use is not fair because the OS itself (linux and windows) is much more complicated then clicking and browsing websites.

Again, the use of a GUI is personal preference. This is what makes the open source (linux specific) community so great. There are many ways to accomplish the same task. You want a completely GUI interface, go use KDE. If you want command-line use command-line. No one is forced to use one of the other (not as much freedom in windows) and some infact (me for instance) use both. This freedom is why some people come into the open source community.

Well that is all I have for now. Please don't label me as some sort of linux fanboy I'm just trying to comment on what I thought about your article. I'll admit that I probably read too much into it but I couldn't help it :). I was actually an extensive windows user up until about 7 months ago until I switched over. All I can say is "to each his own" if you like windows use windows, if you like linux use linux. If you don't like either then find something else, that is the beauty of freedom. Choose what you like! Enjoy! :twocents:

Mate, you're obviously aware of the fact that your site is not in
line with LQ rules, why else would you just have posted a reference?

I'm reporting this troll-thread to be moved to General...


Cheers,
Tink

While you are deciding whether to feed this troll, take a look at the rest of his web site.
Moderator---we need you

Your mom sucks.

A) your website is rubbish
B) I imagine your on the shy side of 16
C) Your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries!

But seriously, a few days? no patience to learn? no research? of course Linux didn't work for you.

If i was your Linux install i'd give up on men (mine systems are always female :P),kick you in the nuts and setup with the hot bird next door.

Awesome. Meet me at the next post in General. Where I predict a short but happy life for this thread.......

zomg owned!!!!!11one :eek:

when microsoft can set its own standards and make people migrate to theirs, then why not linux. linux has its own naming conventions and its own ideology. u cant say why, it just has to be a certain. one cannot expect linux to ape windows becoz if it did then wats the point of coming up with a new OS.

regarding the software being complied from source, i have to agree that its not the most efficient way of doing it. but wat other option is there. i mean linux is available as 50 different distros. now u cannot hope that the programmer compiles a software for 50 different versions. that will be insane.

yes linux has a long way before being accepted as a desktop OS. this is only becoz Windows has a greater hold on the users. users are apprehensive when told to shift to a different OS.

but the bottomline is that linux is the future.

You seem to know every "crap" we say to all trolls
so, why bother. We are going to say the same things
to you. You don't like M$, you don't like Linux, you
don't want anyone to tell you this, that, or the other

Well turn off the damn PC and troll (whine) around with
your parents.

I know you took your time to put that page together. But...
A better text would have been: "

"I don't like M$, I don'tlike linux, thanks" .END.

There, no more text. Straight message (without the whining)

and the epilogue. Which in my opinion is the only
serious thing you have put there.

Any way here goes the crap. I think M$ support at least
is going to give you the satisfaction of ignoring you,
so go write to them developers and you'll feel better
because you won't hear a reaply from them telling you, you
are an incompetent troll. -You paid for this right-
~I suppose~

Aaaaand. I if you don't like Linux.. stick with the damn
windoze

There. I said the "crap" anyways If you don't like it
go troll with you moms.

-W

At least when *I* write a rant, I don't think that saying "It's written in an immature way but just ignore that" is going to help any :)

I can see it saving a lot of time, tho, so I'll use your approach in this way:

You're talking rubbish (I know that leaves a lot of well-informed arguments out, but just ignore that & read between the lines, yeah?)

I'm sorry, you appear to be here under a misapprehension. Linux is an operating system designed for the use of human
beings, so you're not qualified to start with. Its no wonder you couldn't get it working.

Best you stick to scratching your ass and eating banana's.

Guys... you're taking that article way too seriously. To begin with, I'm not a troll. My entire website is immature--not because I actually am, but just because I enjoy writing like that.

As for the Linux article... don't you think that there's at least some truth in it? I mean, Linux is not really getting anywhere fast, and there's a good reason for that: it's difficult.But Linux does already "ape" Windows in a lot of ways. Here's a few examples: XMMS, KDE, WINE etc. The entire distro Xandros is imitating Windows. And many other distros are as well.

Why are you feeling so offended by that article by the way? If you checked my FAQ, you would've read that I'm just doing this for practise.

Look up "convergent evolution" before you accuse Linux of copying Windows. It's blatantly untrue to say that Microsoft thought up the features we today consider to be "Windows-like"

I just want to alert everybody to this fact: When opened in IE, that link is not just blocked, but redirects to hardcore pornography. This thread has been reported to have the asinine link removed.

Don't you guys have a sense of humor? I was even playing it nice by warning you to not check it with IE.

And just to add...
I beg to differ...

Practice for what? Are you intending to become a professional fuckwit then?

It goes way beyond a sense of humour... This is sheer stupidity. Do us both a favor, unplug your ethernet/telephone cable... Now...

I guess I've offended you Linux users then. I'm doing this because I'm writing a novel (a very serious one), and that site is just practise and nothing else. Sure, they're my opinions, but they're exaggerated.

Don't you want people to read it? Yeah, most of us won't use IE, but some of us who have jobs where all the computers have nothing but IE will have no choice. And locking people away from your site just because they need to use IE is pretty nasty, if you ask me.

But aside from that, I've just checked your site, and I like it. You're inspired by Maddox, right? Your site reminds me a lot of maddox.xmission.com.

Like I said: it's just practise; I don't really care if anyone reads it (I thought that was obvious since I've blocked IE and thereby 90% of the world).

Yes, it takes inspiration from Maddox to some extent. But I'm not really trying to be like him because it's just practise for my novel (it won't be anything like my site). There are still some stuff I need to practise on with my writing...

You would need to be a LOT more intelligent than you are to offend me, sunshine. I'm just mildly amused...

I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge Linux's shortcomings, but when a pillock like you with obviously no knowledge of the history of either Linux or Windows broadsides it with an asshole statement like "it sucks", I can't help but feel pity for you. I always think its sad when people mouth off about subjects they know nothing about, they look so stupid and they don't even realise it.

For example -

If you said Linux and Microsoft apes Apple, you would be more historically accurate.

Okay, thanks. I don't want this thread to start into a flame war... but I happen to have a nice quote about people like you:

“Don't take life too seriously; you'll never get out of it alive.” — Elbert Hubbard

Yeah, and I know what you mean, because Symphony OS is looking great! I've even offered my help with the Swedish translation for it.

Sure, but don't you think that Linux takes the prize on that still?

Yes, most are... I was just refering to a few which have been really spiteful towards me when I asked for help.

Well, we agree then :)

Yeah, I remember reading about it myself here a while back. But really, this needs to be done because it would benefit a lot for Linux.

Yeah, and compiling from source isn't really difficult on Linux (Fedora Core 4 had great support for this), but the problem with Linux is that most distros (at least the ones I've tried) lack all the dependencies needed.

Sure, Microsoft has more advertising in their OS. My entire point was that Linux is too difficult, and something needs to be done about this. That's also why I'm excited about the new distro Symphony OS.

Don't take it seriously guys; I'm joking just as much as he is.

I agree with that. For instance, I always use MP4Box with cmd. But I don't think it's fair to kill GUIs off completely. An alternative to cmd would be nice.

By the way, if you bothered to check the source code of my article, you would have seen this:

<!--HEY LINUS, YOU LITTLE SHIT! NO HARD FEELINGS, RIGHT BRO!? I'M JUST BUSTING YOUR BALLS A LITTLE, THAT'S ALL.-->

If that doesn't tell you how much I'm not serious about it... then I don't know what does.

Come on, guys. Can't you see that this article by Mr Alucard here is very jokey? There seem to be some parts where he was speaking half of what really is his opinion (although maybe highly exagerrated), but the rest is just jokes.

Like he says, you're all taking it far too seriously. I suggest you read it again, but try to interpret it as a joke. You know, as if it were like one of those "Windows isn't ready for the desktop either" articles, if you get what I mean.

Myself, I found this article to be enjoyable.

EDIT: Just fixed a few mistakes I made.

By the way, speaking of Maddox, that reminds me: the majority of what I write is stupid bullshit (as he likes to call it). So for the last time: don't take it seriously.

I also hate Micro$oft just as much as you guys do, and actually like Linux (well, aside from its qualms). And that's why I've blocked IE, because I'm tired of Microsoft blocking other browsers.

Not Impressed
 

Not clever, or funny, or original. Neither is spelling Dracula backwards Alucard.

It's from a video game...

Alright people, ignore this thread as it's just here to get the thread starter attention so move on, it's not worth your time as it's most likely going to get closed very soon once a Moderator of General gets around to it.

Gaaaah! If I wanted attention, would I block IE, which is used by 90% of the world? Pretty much says it all. I'm going to write an article about you guys.

Wrong Again
 

Actually, the first time I saw it was as a song title by Gentle Giant, early 70's.

Well actually, since you don't actually block IE and just redirect to a porn site, I've just notified the Admin of this site to remove all links to your site, including your signature. This is clearly against our rules. If you want to remove these links yourself, I would highly suggest doing so now. If not, we can just ban you from using this site.

Got a problem with our rules, take it up with the administrator.

You go ahead and do that.

As requested, you've been temporarily banned.

Thanks and have a great day!

EliasAlucard, the problem here certainly isn't that you blocked IE...but that you redirect it to a porn site. Linking to porn is for obvious reasons against the rules here at LQ. What was asked of you by the moderators was one of two things - either remove the porn redirect or not link to your site from LQ. I think that's fair. While I can appreciate that you may have written the article in jest, starting a thread with "Why Linux sucks" in the title at a Linux site is asking for a flamefest. The fact that my post will be number forty and Godwin's Law has not been invoked is actually impressive IMHO and indicative of the high quality of the average LQ member. I'm closing this thread for obvious reasons. If anyone has any questions, don't hesitate to contact me.

--jeremy