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Old 12-31-2012, 04:55 AM   #16
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Jeremy said "I don't like fish.", apparently.
That looks like you would write
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John said "Hi.".
Isn't that excessive? In this case period in quotes can be omitted:
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Jeremy said "I don't like fish", apparently.
 
Old 12-31-2012, 04:59 AM   #17
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Old 12-31-2012, 06:23 AM   #18
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That looks like you would write

Isn't that excessive? In this case period in quotes can be omitted:
I may well omit the period, yes, and often do. But in that case I would accept that my English was not correct. Though I would expect the sentence to be understood and few people to point out my "error".
 
Old 01-01-2013, 08:52 PM   #19
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Punctuation is important, it breaks sentences and/or paragraphs into smaller portions. Whether a casual reader knowingly understands this or not is neither here nor there.
I agree wholeheartedly. Grammar and syntax are the rules of the road; punctuation is the signposts.

Nevertheless, I am still slightly skeptical of the claim that the position of a comma vis-a-vis a closing quotation mark signals anything other than imprecise typography.

Would you be so kind as to point me to a scholarly citation?

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Old 01-01-2013, 09:50 PM   #20
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The American LEGAL PROFESSION style is to put the punctutation within the quotes, even if the quoted material had no punctuation at the end of the quote. Given the corrosive effect of the law, that practice has subsumed all before it in the US. The accurate, and therefore correct, practice is to have the final punctuation mark within quotes in the US, and outside the end quote whenever accuracy counts or outside the US.
 
Old 01-01-2013, 10:25 PM   #21
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Nevertheless, I am still slightly skeptical of the claim that the position of a comma vis-a-vis a closing quotation mark signals anything other than imprecise typography.
I don't see how, if it is part of the actual sentence the quote comes from, that is is imprecise typography. To me not putting it in when it is part of the sentence being qouted is imprecise typography. Likewise using elipses in the place of something that was in the actual sentence is imprecise typography, there is no need to change what was there to something else.

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Would you be so kind as to point me to a scholarly citation?
I can't simply because it is a convention I have learned, in the Commonwealth, through usage not through reading. I am happy to concede if you are able to find something that shows me to be incorrect. This thread is afterall about American usage not Australian or Commonwealth usage.
 
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UK and USA --- Two Nations Divided by a Common Language.

...It's an exaggeration. There are some obvious spelling differences, a handful of words that have actually different meanings, and maybe "street" talk differs (but here USA is the world's influence, not UK). Maybe I haven't read that many of the great American novelists, but I've read a few, and, they are just ...English!

When it comes to sales and marketing presentations and management jargon, it may be a different matter. But that's a particular form of crap spoken by a subset of society, much of which may have originated in America, but it isn't American English.
 
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The reason I would include a period or elipses at the end of a quote would be to accurately report what was said. Whilst people don't actually speak punctuation whether the quoted represents all that the person said or not is, to me, important.
What I would not do is put punctuation from my enclosing text inside of the quotes as seems to be done with commas in "correct" usage.
That's because I am aiming to represent what is being quoted accurately and not simply follow a rule.
 
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That's because I am aiming to represent what is being quoted accurately and not simply follow a rule.
+1.
 
Old 01-02-2013, 10:09 AM   #25
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Whilst people don't actually speak punctuation.
Some people do. Period.



Actually, some people really do, if they form their spoken sentences correctly. Some people even sing it. Quite apart from the magical imagery, I've always enjoyed the commas in the lyric line,

In the secret space of dreams where, dreaming, I lay amazed...


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Old 01-06-2013, 09:20 PM   #26
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Speaking of speaking punctuation, the great Victor Borge did just that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bpIbdZhrzA

Aside to k3lt01: Give me a couple of days to dig my sources out of the moving boxes and I'll get back to you.
 
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Speaking of speaking punctuation, the great Victor Borge did just that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bpIbdZhrzA

Aside to k3lt01: Give me a couple of days to dig my sources out of the moving boxes and I'll get back to you.
Will wait with baited breath
 
  


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