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Old 10-31-2013, 03:45 PM   #16
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probaly lack of oem pre-installs...
Microsoft is known to punish OEMs HARD if they preinstall Linux. They take the position that the only reason you'd buy a computer with Linux preinstalled is to immediately wipe it and install a pirated copy of Windows.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 05:15 PM   #17
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Netflix? Never heard of it. So it cannot be important.
:P good for you.
If you pay for cable TV then not so good for you then, really though...
 
Old 10-31-2013, 05:24 PM   #18
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Old 10-31-2013, 06:37 PM   #19
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To add to schneidz and frankbell's points, I would also say most support technicians in computer stores (or even your local friendly computer expert) do their bit in downplaying linux.
BestBuy comes to mind when they were trained to toot window's horns and downplay linux. I wonder what incentives they gotten for doing this. I don't really care if windows or macs are ahead of linux in the desktop market as linux is doing quite well in other markets.

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Old 10-31-2013, 06:48 PM   #20
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BestBuy comes to mind when they were trained to toot window's horns and downplay linux. I wonder what incentives they gotten for doing this. I don't really care if windows or macs are ahead of linux in the desktop market as linux is doing quite well in other markets.
They downplay Linux because you can't buy anything that works with Linux. That's important for two reasons:
They cannot then sell any other software to you, and can't really sell you any hardware either due to no support.
They would then have to refund you when whichever piece of hardware or software you bought later didn't work, or spend days working out how you could use it.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 07:03 PM   #21
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Funny you should say that ...

As "Android," Linux is running most of the world's portable phones right now. (And, as "iOS," Unix is running almost all the rest!)

"Non-PC hardware," including both phones and tablets, are virtually taking-over for the traditional PC in many markets.

... they're running Linux, but they don't know and don't care. (No one but a geek ... ... wants to (have to) "care.")

Beyond that, quite honestly, it's really a matter of comfort and preference ... unless your corporate IT Department has made a corporate decision (which, therefore, had nothing to do with you). It's just a machine. You can get what you like.

(And, with virtual-machine technology, and external hard-drives, you can run Linux on anything you like!)

... and there's something else. I actually still have a little laptop (with a grand total of 512K of memory in it!) which I still run on Gentoo Linux to do various things ... mostly as a server now since the video is fritzed ... but ... that sucker (which was built for Windows-95 ...) is bloody fast! When you strip the "cruft" off of, particularly, Windows, and run Linux on a "sluggish" box that was originally built for it ...

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Old 10-31-2013, 07:13 PM   #22
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Funny you should say that ...

As "Android," Linux is running most of the world's portable phones right now. (And, as "iOS," Unix is running almost all the rest!)

"Non-PC hardware," including both phones and tablets, are virtually taking-over for the traditional PC in many markets.

... they're running Linux, but they don't know and don't care. (No one but a geek ... ... wants to (have to) "care.")

Beyond that, quite honestly, it's really a matter of comfort and preference ... unless your corporate IT Department has made a corporate decision (which, therefore, had nothing to do with you). It's just a machine. You can get what you like.

(And, with virtual-machine technology, and external hard-drives, you can run Linux on anything you like!)
I didn't notice this thread being set in the future though
If you must talk about the future I think Android, iOS or Windows[whateverthehelltheycallit] is a much worse choice than "Mac Vs PC". Of course it will be a lot more complex but, again, I didn't notice that this thread was set in the future.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 07:14 PM   #23
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Microsoft is known to punish OEMs HARD if they preinstall Linux. They take the position that the only reason you'd buy a computer with Linux preinstalled is to immediately wipe it and install a pirated copy of Windows.
Actually, they don't have much leverage in telling hardware suppliers what to do anymore. That pretty much was a myth all along. If someone's got an order to prep 2,500 computers for a corporate client, those systems will get whatever The Customer Asked For. All duly licensed and accounted-for.

And, let's be realistic here: the license fee for Windows is not outrageous, especially to an OEM and very-especially in quantity. And you do, really do, get what you pay for. ("Klunk! Koff! Ka-ping! Puff puff! Bang! Hiccup! Whups, there go the front wheels again!" ...) Yes, you really do.
 
Old 10-31-2013, 09:01 PM   #24
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Old 10-31-2013, 09:29 PM   #25
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Ever tried to sync an iPhone with Linux?
Tried to use a cheap TV capture card?
Ever installed Linux on a laptop with a wireless chipset that only has Windows drivers?
Ever tried to use Netflix on Linux?
Tried to install World Of Warcraft on Linux?
Have you used 64 bit Google Earth on Linux recently?
I will point out that it's not Linux refusing to support this sort of stuff. It's the folks who make this sort of stuff refusing to support Linux.

A small distinction, perhaps, but a significant one.
 
Old 11-01-2013, 03:06 AM   #26
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I will point out that it's not Linux refusing to support this sort of stuff. It's the folks who make this sort of stuff refusing to support Linux.

A small distinction, perhaps, but a significant one.
It is a distinction worth making though, I agree.
 
Old 11-01-2013, 03:34 AM   #27
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Because people uses Facebook and youporn, so windows is ok.
Or Ubuntu if you want be cool with your friends.

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Old 11-01-2013, 04:07 PM   #28
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Tried to install World Of Warcraft on Linux?
Hasn't World of Warcraft always worked perfectly in Wine?
 
Old 11-01-2013, 04:46 PM   #29
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Hasn't World of Warcraft always worked perfectly in Wine?
Has it? I did try to run it a couple of times without success. I googled and saw results suggesting that when it does work it doesn't function as it ought all the time.
If I were buying a PC in the last few years and loved WoW, would I have been fine using Linux? [genuine question, it's nice to tick these things off]
 
Old 11-01-2013, 05:52 PM   #30
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Has it?
It's always been WineHQ platinum.

I haven't tried WoW in Wine myself, but I'm playing Warcraft III in Wine these days. It's native-quality except for prerendered movies (which aren't in WoW).

I'm also now used to seeing games that need DLL installations in Windows just work in Wine. And if a game needs your PC to be set to a certain region just to run (as is the case with many Japanese games), the process is easier in Wine (LANG=ja_JP) than on Windows.

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