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Old 11-01-2007, 05:32 AM   #31
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Cancer has got nothing to do with freezing itself. Rather bacteria dont die when frozen and start multiplying when thawed.
So food meant for freezing also has added preservatives which cause cancer. As a bonus meat eaters are at a far greater risk of cancer than vegetarians coz cured meat ( ie most of western meat) has lots of cancer causing compounds.

Thawing following freezing means beginning of the end for the food, u better eat it fast.

Microwaves are completely safe. What they do is emit radiation that only affects water (or rather dipolar molecules) and causes everything containing water to heat up. But microwaves knock out electrons from metal, causing local electric charges and sparking. Thats why no metal in microwave.
 
Old 11-01-2007, 05:32 AM   #32
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You need some physicians ... ,guys, to help you

Who cares that something is healthy or not. They just sell things, and devices/hardwares are tested afterwards, after being sold on the market.
People against are 'shut up'
Mobiles are emitting strong "waves", but we still continue to use that. Magnetic fields are generated in our environment. Look the houses that close to electrical field (large lines to conduct electricity from one city to another one, from elec. generators to cities). We measure that field emitted close to houses with device looking like big mushroom. You live under these elect. lines, you develop cancer.

H & B, that's what 's to look at from your devices: http://www.magtec.co.jp/magnetnews/s...drawing-13.gif

Cells degenerates. That's starting from the electron spin.
A Magnetic field, then,it "degenerates"
http://www.css-physics.edu.pl/lectur...oo3-levels.gif
(cant find any suitable pic)

Chemistry is also known what are the negative effects.

But who cares really ? The law of market rules.

Do not complain guys, you just do not know about it. That's why society accepts everythg as a brand new 'good thing'.

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Old 11-01-2007, 05:43 AM   #33
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Cancer has got nothing to do with freezing itself. Rather bacteria dont die when frozen and start multiplying when thawed.
So food meant for freezing also has added preservatives which cause cancer. As a bonus meat eaters are at a far greater risk of cancer than vegetarians coz cured meat ( ie most of western meat) has lots of cancer causing compounds.

Thawing following freezing means beginning of the end for the food, u better eat it fast.

Microwaves are completely safe. What they do is emit radiation that only affects water (or rather dipolar molecules) and causes everything containing water to heat up. But microwaves knock out electrons from metal, causing local electric charges and sparking. Thats why no metal in microwave.
Indeed, microwaves, results from the rotation of the H2O molecule.
YOu have 'wave length' of vibrations, rotations, distortions... and the one of the microwave is the rotation.
H2O enters in rotations and heats up around it.

 
Old 11-01-2007, 11:52 AM   #34
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Cancer has got nothing to do with freezing itself. Rather bacteria dont die when frozen and start multiplying when thawed.
So food meant for freezing also has added preservatives which cause cancer. As a bonus meat eaters are at a far greater risk of cancer than vegetarians coz cured meat ( ie most of western meat) has lots of cancer causing compounds.

Thawing following freezing means beginning of the end for the food, u better eat it fast.

Microwaves are completely safe. What they do is emit radiation that only affects water (or rather dipolar molecules) and causes everything containing water to heat up. But microwaves knock out electrons from metal, causing local electric charges and sparking. Thats why no metal in microwave.

I think we need some basic biology to go with the physics.

First off, "preservatives" is a hell of a big class of compounds, and they don't necessarily cause cancer. Salt is a preservative and it isn't a carcinogen.

Second, microwaves don't emit radiation, microwaves are a form of radiation. And their effect isn't limited to water, they can be absorbed by a lot of materials, water just happens to be one of the more familiar substances that does absorb it.


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Even in boiling water, everybody knows that strong/worst bacteria that is present in too many hospitals ...
Actually the biggest problem in hospitals isn't stuff that survives boiling water, but rather antibiotic resistant bacteria. Some of those are truly frightening bugs. Indiscriminant use of antibiotics is actually one of the biggest health issues facing the planet. And bugs that actually live in boiling water (or hotter) aren't really a health issue at all. The human body is too cold for them to grow and the vast majority of them are pretty strict anaerobes, oxygen is toxic to them.
 
Old 11-01-2007, 12:10 PM   #35
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Btw... that s interesting.
(About wireless, in De, for who can read)
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Strahlung

In Europa ist Funkverkehr im 2,4GHz ISM-Band lizenzfrei und nicht genehmigunspflichtig, aber die Sendeleistung ist begrenzt. Die meisten Access Points und Wireless Clients senden mit 30mW. Da ein Mobilfunktelefon allein im Standby meist schon 100mW ausstrahlt und im Betrieb auch mal 2W erreichen kann, mag die Funklan-Technologie vernachlässigbar aussehen. Die Auswirkungen der hochfrequenten, gepulsten Strahlung sind aber noch nicht genügend untersucht worden, um sie als harmlos einzustufen.
 
Old 11-01-2007, 02:22 PM   #36
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For every anecdote that wireless causes cancer you can find a scientific study showing that it doesn't. Unfortunately most of the former claims are made by people trying to get rich suing cell phone companies and most of the latter are sponsored by cell phone companies so you really can't trust any of it.

You'd have to find a study done by some group that was not sponsored by either side of the argument to get close to the truth (assuming no one got bribed along the way) and even then it would only "indicate" rather than "prove" correlation or lack thereof.

As for me I've been using a cell phone for several years now and so far haven't developed cancer.

Even with strong correlation between cigarettes and cancer most smokers haven't quit for that reason. Societal pressures making it harder and harder to find places to smoke seem to have had more of an impact than over 40 years of scientific evidence and surgeon generals' warnings.

P.S. What the hell does wireless or microwave have to do with thawed frozen meat rotting faster?

P.P.S. If vegetarians/vegans/PETA are ever successful in outlawing meat I'll just start eating those people instead.
 
Old 11-04-2007, 01:13 AM   #37
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I think we need some basic biology to go with the physics.

First off, "preservatives" is a hell of a big class of compounds, and they don't necessarily cause cancer. Salt is a preservative and it isn't a carcinogen.

Second, microwaves don't emit radiation, microwaves are a form of radiation. And their effect isn't limited to water, they can be absorbed by a lot of materials, water just happens to be one of the more familiar substances that does absorb it.




Actually the biggest problem in hospitals isn't stuff that survives boiling water, but rather antibiotic resistant bacteria. Some of those are truly frightening bugs. Indiscriminant use of antibiotics is actually one of the biggest health issues facing the planet. And bugs that actually live in boiling water (or hotter) aren't really a health issue at all. The human body is too cold for them to grow and the vast majority of them are pretty strict anaerobes, oxygen is toxic to them.
Benzoates are carcinogenic. So are nitrite/nitrate metabolites. NO food company would risk a rotten product. So they'd rather poison it with toxic preservatives.
Meat is not bad but what we get nowadays , mass produced meat, is full of hormones and antibiotics. These antibiotics are allowed for animal use but eventually get into humans.

Where there are people there is disease. Dont blame bacteria, humans cause disease. Humans are the reservoirs of disease, as much as you blame mosquitoes....

Mobile phones, a necessary evil. May be harmful, maybe not. You may be run over by a bus the next minute, why NOT risk a mobile phone??
 
Old 12-11-2007, 02:43 PM   #38
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Frozen fish tastes plastic !
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Old 12-11-2007, 03:13 PM   #39
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Fish should only be thawed in cool tapwater. Never thaw it by just laying it out on the cutting board and don't thaw it with warm water either. Most frozen food is best thawed by placing in the regular refrigerator compartment overnight. Then, the next day complete thawing is accomlished in a very short time in cool water.
 
Old 12-11-2007, 03:51 PM   #40
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P.P.S. They've found some organisms that can live in boiling water in undersea thermal vents so even boiling isn't foolproof.
No it isn't, especially when you start thinking what boiling really is. It's just evaporation happening not only at the surface, but also inside the matter (water usually). Evaporation starts at a given temperature, which depends on pressure. Close to sea level we say the pressure is one (1) atmosphere, that is 101325 pascals, and here the boiling temperature (where evaporation starts happening inside the matter) is around 100 degrees celsius, or 373,15 kelvin. That temperature isn't the same everywhere, it depends on the pressure, so when pressure changes, (boiling) temperature changes too. If you go to a high(-ish) mountain, pressure is lower than on sealevel, and boiling temperature too. That means when you're boiling water for your cup of coffee, the boiling water isn't as hot as it would be on sealevel, but slightly colder - depending on the pressure. And because bacteria etc. don't die of the boiling itself, but the heat, those baddies that would die during a 5-minute boiling at 100 degrees celsius won't die at the mountains - either so fast, or at all. To get the water boil in higher temperature you then need to use a pressure boiler, which "forces" the temperature higher.

I've also read about all sorts of "life forms" that live in odd places - those hot smokers at the bottom of the sea where no life was thought possible until recently, for example. Some live in places where there is no water, or no oxygen. Boiling is relatively safe at home, but it won't kill everything dangerous - luckily enough those living things that can take extraordinary temperatures etc. don't usually end up in our food.

Like said, freezing damages/destroys cells. However with some methods it is possible to freeze organs so that their cells don't break up - the freezing needs to happen in such a way (fast enough at least, if I'm not wrong) that the water in cells can't form crystals that break the cells, but instead freezes without wrecking everything.

I still wouldn't eat scorpions, at least if I didn't order them in the first place.
 
Old 12-11-2007, 03:53 PM   #41
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Fish should only be thawed in cool tapwater. Never thaw it by just laying it out on the cutting board and don't thaw it with warm water either. Most frozen food is best thawed by placing in the regular refrigerator compartment overnight. Then, the next day complete thawing is accomlished in a very short time in cool water.
I warmed up pan + oliv oil, waited 2min, then I actually took the fish frozen from freezer, and directly coooked. I added bit of water, and after 20min from frozen to heat up, it was ready.

Is that hence the worst to do to cook frozen fish ?
 
  


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