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Old 05-20-2002, 08:36 PM   #46
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support your favorite distro and developers and the games will come.... We just have to show developers and larger linux-based corps. that their is a demand for it. I always hear people saying windows does gaming better, but I highly beleive this will change if we show support. It's already happening. If only we could convince the game developers for windows to also release under linux... I'd buy the games, no prob. I think we all wouldn't have a problem with that. More money for them two...



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Old 05-21-2002, 01:23 AM   #47
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Originally posted by dorward
IMO

Best DVD playing software: ogle
Best video file playing software: mplayer (which can also play DVDs)
Well most people think XINE *shits* all over mplayer, it is a much more effiecient and easier to use program, as well as supporting a large number of video formats
 
Old 05-21-2002, 04:48 AM   #48
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My experience of Xine isn't very good, I've never managed to persuade it to play a video smoothly, it appears to be horribly unstable (crashing frequently) and the GUI sucks.
 
Old 05-21-2002, 06:49 AM   #49
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I always hear people saying windows does gaming better
I wouldn't go as far as saying that Windows does games better, just that there are more for it. Take RTCW, for example. I had a minor hitch with the NVidia drivers, but the latest ones allowed me to play it in Linux without any probs. Windows version...update to a newer DX version (not particularly easy when you don't have an internet connection), install the new Windows NVidia drivers, tweak settings down here & there because the high settings that I usually use don't seem to work on my lowly 1.4GHz+256, run and save regularly coz I know it's gonna crash soon!

I'm with you, however, on the supporting Linux Games Developing. There is a market out there, and that market is growing...so why are the laws of Market Forces not coming into play?
 
Old 05-21-2002, 07:01 AM   #50
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I'm with you, however, on the supporting Linux Games Developing. There is a market out there, and that market is growing...so why are the laws of Market Forces not coming into play?
Lokigames.com died trying to supply the linux community with games. That's bound to scare any game developers looking to move into the linux market.
 
Old 05-21-2002, 09:07 PM   #51
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When you say 'main system', this is a little vague. If you are referring to a server application, I think the main reason would be cost. The yearly fees paid to Microsoft for NT servers could run into the 10s of thousands of dollars. Using a Linux server running a database such as MySQL would save a lot of money.

I do agree that for general purpose home or business desktop applications, Windows still has the edge.
 
Old 05-21-2002, 09:26 PM   #52
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Let me keep something clear . .

when I say windows . .I mean winNT/2k which are two of the most popular versions and more stable among all windows systems...

winNT4 is much reliable than win59/98 and
win2k >> >> winME/winXP..
win98/winME just made people's life more crashy..
 
Old 05-21-2002, 11:13 PM   #53
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Lokigames.com died trying to supply the linux community with games. That's bound to scare any game developers looking to move into the linux market.
well... how about gpl games? if someone can come up with something like linux... why not someone develop games that runs on linux? as in volunteer time... not as a full time job.
 
Old 05-27-2002, 09:15 AM   #54
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win98/winME just made people's life more crashy..
Heheh, Windows '98 still holds my home PC uptime record. In normal day to day use managed 6 days without a reboot. Win2k is flakier running the flakiest software known to mankind (games) and tends to get a boot every 2-3 days or so. Suse on my desktop machine is a nightmare, after 3 days I still havent coaxed the video drivers to work correctly or got the screen to run at my preferred resolution (I went as far as to install Red hat at one point until I realised it had no NTFS support, so I can have access to my drives or a decent screen res, but not both without mucho swearing and gnashing of teeth). The main reason for wanting it up and running on the home machine other than for the fun of it is a certain browser/irc game planetarion. The KDE desktop is ideal for running mutliple IRC servers and browser layouts, I set up[ a standard general desktop, an attack desktop, defence desktop and scanning desktop and I'm set up for the night.

My laptop at work however hasnt been given a boot for nearly two weeks and is worth having on Linux full time for the simple reason that it is a lot easier to move between offices on NT domains using Linux than it is to use Windows (unless you like rebooting of course.). Remote terminal access to the win2k servers is the final nail in the coffin of Win2k on my work machine.

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Old 05-27-2002, 09:56 AM   #55
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Heheh, Windows '98 still holds my home PC uptime record. In normal day to day use managed 6 days without a reboot.
oh yeah? day to day, hmm? so how did you leave it on for six days, every day? there's only one day in every day you know. Also, your PC uptime record? What held the record previously? your toaster? 6 days? haven't you heard that unix uptimes are not measured in hours or days, they are measured in years.
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Win2k is flakier running the flakiest software known to mankind (games) and tends to get a boot every 2-3 days or so.
what a surprise
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Suse on my desktop machine is a nightmare, after 3 days I still havent coaxed the video drivers to work correctly or got the screen to run at my preferred resolution (I went as far as to install Red hat at one point until I realised it had no NTFS support, so I can have access to my drives or a decent screen res, but not both without mucho swearing and gnashing of teeth).
right, so when you installed win2000 i suppose it had full support for your video card, yes? NO it didn't. it gave you a 480 pixel screen and 16 colours didn't it? and then you had to install drivers for your video card, yes? Also, Red Hat does support NTFS, sorry.
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The main reason for wanting it up and running on the home machine other than for the fun of it is a certain browser/irc game planetarion.
well this is a turn up for the books, usually we hear people moaning about how crap linux is because people only write games for windows. Now we're hearing about how linux is crap because people do not write games for windows, only for linux!
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My laptop at work however hasnt been given a boot for nearly two weeks and is worth having on Linux full time for the simple reason that it is a lot easier to move between offices on NT domains using Linux than it is to use Windows (unless you like rebooting of course.). Remote terminal access to the win2k servers is the final nail in the coffin of Win2k on my work machine.
Well, i don't want to seem like i am insulting you personally since you are obviously just passing on your reviews of different systems but as i see it, most people go into using a new interface with an incredibly biased perspective, a perspective, in fact, like the following:
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Give me a good reason to use Linux as the main system instead of windows..
Why? can't you think up a reason for yourself? you probably wouldn't believe any reasons coming from somebody else when your first words of the topic are a challenge! Nobody here told you to 'use linux or else', if you want to use it, use it, and find out why it's better or worse for yourself. Nobody here is obliged to trot out the hundreds of reasons linux is better than windows over and over again just on the whim of some lazy dumbass who doesn't know how a search engine works.
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First time I used I mouse seriously to do some work was in 1997 and I was using Unix - Solaris6 - winNT4. Now I use various linux distros and win2k.
But I still cannot find something that will make me prefer a Linux 2 a winNT (2k) version.
Again, whoopdeedoo for you, it seems you prefer a GUI and it seems you prefer the windows GUI, so keep using it. If you really get fed up with all those mysterious crashes and lack of support even when you've paid for the system, or if you get a virus (something you don't have to worry about in linux), or if you get hacked due to all those huge security flaws in windows and other microsoft software, then maybe you will give linux another thought. Until then you are on your own. Nobody should ever beg to be converted. Make up your own mind for yourself.
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What do you thing that Linux can do that a win2k OS cannot do ?
 
Old 05-27-2002, 09:58 AM   #56
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I use Linux for just about everything because I'm a poor student and can't afford to purchase proprietary software for Windows. I'm philisophically opposed to pirating Windows or Windows software even though it may be ridiculously overpriced, because it is exactly the same as stealing.

Nevertheless, I still have Windows installed for the odd-game which won't run under WineX or doesn't have a binary available. As I tend to play Counter-Strike and Unreal Tournament most of the time, this isn't usually a problem, although I have to reboot into Windows to play The Sims because I don't have the Transgaming-modified version.

For those who are yet to try WineX - I would strongly recommend it. For 10/$15 (min. 3 months subscription), you can play a fair selection of games under Linux - being able to play Counter-Strike is worth it in my book...

That aside, Linux is much more stable than Windows for every day desktop use in my experience. I know that if an X-program does crash in Linux, and can just ctrl-alt-f1 and kill it, but with Windows 9x you just get a BSOD if you try to ctrl-alt-del...

Of couse, I'm also a geek so I like to have my system configured exactly how I want it. I know I'm usually able to fix a problem in Linux however long it takes me, but with Windows 9x the only solution for inevitable rundll32 etc. errors seems to be reinstall

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Old 05-27-2002, 10:50 AM   #57
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Cheers for the flames, now where did I put my matches?

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oh yeah? day to day, hmm? so how did you leave it on for six days, every day? rant rant rant
I'm well aware of stability of Linux, I was merely illustrating considering the opinion was that 2k was more stable than '98 that I have not found this to be true running 2k as a home machine.

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right, so when you installed win2000 i suppose it had full support for your video card, yes?blah blah blah.
No, but after 3 days of Win2k I had everything installed, running and configured to my liking, heck after 3 hours of win2k I have everything up running and working correctly. I will concede that after 10 years of working with windoze for a living that perhaps this is to be expected, but I still maintain that Suse this not especially friendly in setting this up. Red hat may well support NTFS now, as at version 7.3 it was not compiled into the Kernel by default.

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well this is a turn up for the books, usually we hear people moaning about how crap linux is because people only write games for windows. Now we're hearing about how linux is crap because people do not write games for windows, only for linux!
Do you deliberately misinterpret everything people write? at what point in my original statement did I claim a) Linux is crap because there are no games for it or b) linux is crap because it is suited to running a game I do play?

Hmmm, cant win with you can I? Say win2k is flakier than '98 as a day to day home PC and get attacked, say I prefer using linux at work and get flamed. Even go as far as to recommend linux explicitly for playing a (albeit browser/IRC based) game and you still think I am having a pop at your beloved OS. The only detrimental comments I have made that I can see is that:

a) Win2k is flakier than win '98 in some cases

b) Suse is not the easiest distro I have come across when it comes explicitly to setting up your vid card settings

c) Red Hat 7.3 on a default installation does not support mounting NTFS drives unless you are prepared to recompile the kernel, something at this stage of my linux playing I found a little daunting.

Nowhere in any of my post can I find anything to suggest that I believe Linux is crap, other than two minor distribution specific quibbles I dared to raise. Personally mate I think you should go outside, have a ciggie and chill, not everyone who uses the word "Windows" in a post is having a pop at linux.
 
Old 05-27-2002, 11:20 AM   #58
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yeah right whatever, you make your sweeping generalisations and i'll just not give a fuck. i didn't realise you were one of those "don't paraphrase me, i'm perfect" types. Whatever you say. Plus, i don't smoke.
 
Old 05-27-2002, 12:06 PM   #59
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Dont mind being paraphrased, dont like having what I say twisted to fit your interpretation of how you think I am having a pop at Linux especially when my post was, if anything, pro linux.

I hate the OS so much that my main workhorse PC runs linux in favour of Windows 2000 despite having to actually go out and learn a few things now and again that I could sort out in windows with my eyes shut SG alert I am a paid windows "professional", please do not attempt to configure your computer with your eyes closed, system damage may result. However that still does not alter the fact that having sorted out my main problems, being relatively inexperienced with any flavour of unix, that it remains a better system, in my experience, at what I need to do day to day. SG alertmy experience is not all encompassing, there may in fact be better ways of doing what I am doing using Windows, VMS, OS2, Linux or other operating systems

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Old 05-27-2002, 03:45 PM   #60
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Talking

If I had the time and the right OS too, I could write a whole book based on this forums..

LaTeX is a good choise I think..

 
  


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