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I'm running redhat 7.0 (updated) with kde 2.1. I need to be able to read documents in chinese, and chinese emails, etc. I've been looking around for documentation on how to set up double-byte languages on linux, but haven't come across anything much beyond the chinese-howto written in 1998. I'm sure there is a better way of doing things now, but I can't find it. Any help/advice greatly appreciated! cheers, wil snyder |
Y use Linux instead of windows ??
Give me a good reason to use Linux as the main system instead of windows..
First time I used I mouse seriously to do some work was in 1997 and I was using Unix - Solaris6 - winNT4. Now I use various linux distros and win2k. But I still cannot find something that will make me prefer a Linux 2 a winNT (2k) version. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What do you thing that Linux can do that a win2k OS cannot do ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :cry: ?:cry: ?:cry: ?:cry: |
Reasons I use Linux and not windows
1. Its cheaper 2. It loads faster 3. Upgrades are readily available 4. Fewer and more rapidly corrected security problems 5. Focus follows mouse 6. It supports my hardware (Windows tends to crash with my TV Card) 7. It doesn't leave me with a "You can not turn off your computer" message, it just turns off |
hey dorward;
1. your right, free is cheap! 2. winxp boots to desktop faster then linux goes to kde3 desktop (running gentoo, 2.4.19 kernel, fully optimized for my box) 3. win2k / xp have many upgrades available, infact xp requires upgrades right of the box just to work right! 4. right again (i think) windows on the net is like standing naked in the rain:rolleyes: 5. you can have focus follow mouse in windows very easily, and in linux that behavior is dependant on your window manager. 6. wow man, that must be the only vid card ever produced that has better support in linux then it does in windows! 7. windows will turn off you pc if you want it to, as long as it isn't nt 4.0. 2k, xp, 98, 98se, me, will all shutdown the pc if you have apm or acpi enabled. not trying to nock you though!:D just some comments i run linux all the time at home, myself. it is free (woohoo!) and it lets you do some pretty neat things with a minimal amount of hardware. probably the coolest thing about linux for me, is that you can compile everything yourself (like the kernel!) in order to take advantage of all those neat cpu extensions that you paid so much for, like 3dnow, sse, etc. it isn't 'what can linux do that windows can't?', it should be, 'what can windows do that linux can't?' since you have to pay for windows and linux is free. and the answer is nothing! linux can do anything that windows can do, but for free. that is why i like linux over windows. also, i'm a rebel:p |
2. I don't use KDE, its too slow
5. How? 7. XP, APM enabled, "You may now turn off your computer" |
Sapilas, why bash your head against the wall when you can leave through the door? Why try to invent a reason for not using Windows when it serves its purpose well enough?
Linux is a server based OS trying to make its way into the desktop market. As much as anyone here likes Linux, I think most people would agree that it doesn't quite cut it yet as a serious desktop alternative to XP/2000 and that most people still need to do most of their stuff in Windows. I frequently find myself though logging out of Win XP or Win 2000 and rebooting into Linux just to surf the web or listen to mp3's using Gnome. It's really got that sleak look which makes your eyes beg for more, a masterpiece of simplicity and elegance at the same time (btw, I badly need a Gnome theme for my XP desktop :D). There are other thing I could do in Linux, like programming C++ code, but I really prefer the Borland C++ compiler in Windows over the text editors in Linux. I could also do a lot of other things, like burning CD's, writing stuff, whatever, but I find myself doing all that in Windows. Then there are those many programs that you simply can not live without which aren't available for Linux. So, probably in contrast to some other people here, I use Linux for fun and Windows for the serious stuff (usually) :rolleyes: :D |
you can change the mouse focus behavior by using power toys for xp, available for free from M$, the actual app is called tweakui, it will be in you programs menu after you install power toys.
i don't know why your pc isn't turning off in xp with apm enabled, it should b/c mine does with both 2k and xp. so, which wm do you use? it isn't really fair to compare, say black box, to windows as it doesn't have all the features that windows has. i think kde is the closest equivelent to windows gui in linux, plus i hate gnome:eek: :D . maybe try www.amdmb.com forums for advice on how to fix your windows shutdown problem. |
Its perfectly fair to compare Linux running blackbox with Windows - becuase with Windows you can't change the shell from Explorer without quite a lot of work.
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Until not I didn't read any SERIOUS REASON ! ! I said do not refer to the money thing....(FORGET THE MONEY) Every uses Linux to do stupid things that make his life difficult.. Web, mp3, NICE Window managers.Everyone admits at the end "Well I prefer to do it on windows BUT I like rebooting to linux." THATS JUST SICK ! ! ! I found Noone to do serious work on Linux yet... So y do you still using it......I wonder.. :eek: |
Oi! I do all my work under Linux, series or otherwise. Writing a letter? Openoffice. Writing a webpage? Emacs. Writing a program? Emacs then Java, Ruby, GCC, or Perl. Games? UT, Quake 3 or XMame. DVD? Ogle. Video file? mplayer. Music? XMMS. Webbrowsing? Galeon. Usenet? Knode. IRC? XChat. Graphics work? GIMP. Scanning? Sane. Database? Postgrsql with a quick front end whipped up in PHP. Email? mutt.
Linux does everything (and more) that I need a computer system to do, and it does it cheaply and reliably. Windows also does everything that I need a computer system to do, but it takes more effort, it takes more money, and it isn't as reliable. |
Same . .here . . .but I think only 10% of the people that have installed Linux are really using it..
Bytheway last night I download Spiderman movie...BUT I couldn;t play it.... I manage to play it using PowerDVD in windows. It isn't a DVD but it plays with the DVD software in windows. Is there any DVD software similar to powerDVD ? If many, which is the more reliable ? Cheers.. PS. Its the first year I rely on my Linux box for my msc project..I hope it will not disappoint me.:jawa: |
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Best DVD playing software: ogle Best video file playing software: mplayer (which can also play DVDs) |
The Question is not what Linux can do but what it isn't doing.
Linux doesn't try to put me in some stinking database - like M$ tries Linux doesn't put any well hidden files in my system - nobody knows what M$ put in your box and what can be done with that. Linux doesn't give me a license that allows it to access my box via internet when ever it feels like it and snoop out what I'm up to. |
I have used Access DB MS system before for a project, was ok.
Now I run project with php and mysql, now problem both in win2k and slack8.. but haven;t found any difference yet, except the fuck that Access in win2k prof edition doesn;t allow you infinite no of connections... and Access DB is not portable... Hidden files - just disable the option about them and you can easily find where they are...and what they do.. Kde and gnome usually try to connect to the internet and send bugs back to their server. thu I never use them, Wmaker fan.. (ALWAYS ASSUME THAT YOU CAN FIND A VERSION OF ALL WINDOWS PROGRAMS from work or somewhere alse.. Linux is free and I wanna hope in a few years will take win32 place.) :D I hope that microsoft will fail in the court and will be forced to distroy the monopooly and create more portable applications & provide more free source code to all the develpoment groups.. :D |
If you really think Windows shows you everything that is there if you disable that option you gotta be dreaming.
Plus I am not able to find out what that stuff is doing - got a bunch of professionals trying to find that out for a couple of years now in a trial in the US and they can't do it. |
Redhat | Mandrake | Suse
they all do thinks that people doesn;t know... like setting menus through graphics interface and never now what happens at the back.. linuxconfig | Yast2 | hardwaredetection thing..:cry: Y slackware doesn't detect hardware like other distro ? instead you do everything manually...(That's the meaning of freedom) thu it takes time to configure a workstation with many hardware devices.. :mad: So I think some linux distros have some secrets too....! :Pengy: |
I seem to be using linux more than win at the mo...
Im using linux mainly at the moment but i still boot into windows for gaming. This is because the UK has no retail support for linux games and i started using linux properly after Loki went to the dogs :( Heck if anyone knows a UK site i can get linux games from pls tell me!!
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I use *nix cause:
1. I am poor, even though all my Windows apps are illegal copies, its just easier and less hassle looking for apps cause most are all free using Linux. 2. I have no real need for Windows, only use it for Photoshop ( its still the best, even though I still use the Gimp at times ) on one machine and scanning, cause lucky me, my scanner still isn't supported in Linux. And occasionally for games too as I rarely play games. 3. Its stable, reliable, fast, secure and easy to setup in most cases. Comes with everything I need almost in one install, rarely ever need to go out and download/install new packages that aren't already there from the first install. There are more I am sure, those are probably the main reasons. |
Always linux drives me mad...
I installed thee times the mplayer in order to get it right.. I got an errror about libpng and then about GTK...two packages that were installed from the beginning BUT for a misterious reason mplayer's configure program could not found..them....:cry: Then just reinstall from suse8 cd GTK and libpng ....and the mplayer was installed at once.. Y ???????:cry: y such crazy things happen ??? :o |
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The truth is that I drive fast . . . BUT safe always...:)
BTW does anyone foud some free time to build a macromedia flash replacement for Linux ? :) If yes, it sure will reduce the no of times that I will use vmware to run the win32 thing.. :eek: |
Well, concidering the nature of the forums on this site the question should be...
Y use windows instead of linux? But I will say that tweaking an OS is good fun, and in Linux there's lots to tweak ;) |
there are many tweak apps in win32 too... so many that u will get bored to download and install all of them..
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Well if you want to do systems programming then its better to go for Linux. You can play with its source code without any major problems occuring. Try it, feel it and enjoy it.
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I, of course, have no idea how many config options I am missing on my linux box as there is no complete documentation anywhere for linux either, but the difference is that it's free. And another reason to use _any_ OS other than MS ones. EULA. |
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------------ Well WHAT YOU JUST browse with your FTP program is the SYSTEM FILES... When I said go to explorer options there are two menus: 1. Show hidden files 2. Show System files (not recommended. Then you can see everything... Well I had a friend that he choosed to program in win2k his final year project... He downloaded SDK from microsoft and he build his own Virtual Private Network. He developed a window interfaced program simila to the INTERNET SHARING BUT with much more options that he enabled....(of course he got IEEE price for that) But he did it cause his supervisor asked him to use windows....Otherwise he was going for linux enviroment programming... but I show he did prety much in just a few months.. |
as a newbie who tried linux for being seek and tired of paying for problems (alias computer hanged) i'll have to say (sadly) that in windows everything is easier and if i cannot do something i can ask anyone (everybody knows how). instead after one month i still can't find someone to tell me how to change KDE for gnome and loosing hours trying myself is jut not worth...pitty
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It took me about 3 years to get used to Linux . . .
I had always too many hardware devices, and never manage to setup them all until I tried suse8 version.. And Still sometimes I have some problems. and spend lot of hours trying to find solutions.. So i believe that for a newbie, you have to make a lot of effort in order to manage to understand how everything works and how you can fix any problems..and always helps if you have a friend with much experience.. so there is only one solution.... NEVER GIVE UP on trying......at the end you might see that linux is more flexible than windows. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ The thing I like most in linux is the remote control and the remote execution of programs....that really makes the system more powerful. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ |
I use Linux because I like it. I don't see that this is such a bad reason. There have been far too many arguments on this very topic. My opinion: use what you like.
A very good example of this was over the Easter holiday. I was chatting with my brother (an ardent Windows fan, that happens to be running Linux for his LAN internet sharing...because he couldn't get Windows to work on the hardware...ha, ha) and he enthusiastically asked me 'Why do you use Linux'. He was quite stumped when I replied 'Because I like it...why do you use Windows?' In all honesty, the only reason he uses Windows is because he sees that the rest of the world uses Windows, so what's the point in going against the grain? I believe that you should not use something 'because everyone else does', you should use it because you like it. Ok, for starts, that was $0.2, and secondaly flames > /dev/null |
Guys... Don't forget, Linux is still more of a server OS, rather than a desktop OS...
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well... i use linux because like trickykid, i am poor :cry:
also, there's a lot of stuff i do on linux. i do programming on linux. i use office applications on linux. i do web surfing on linux. i listen to mp3s on linux. i learn some things about an OS on linux. and plenty more... i can't remember all right now. and like Thymox, i just like linux (altho getting to know how to do those things could really be frustrating at times). i use Windows only because i play my fav game with my best pal on it about twice a week. Age of Kings, Conquerors. it's not available on linux. but would sure love to check out if transgaming can get it to work... anyone knows? and um... i use linux as my desktop... ;) (and development platform, entertainment box etc etc) |
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by sewer_monkey Guys... Don't forget, Linux is still more of a server OS, rather than a desktop OS... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well in every operations system I use linux/windows I always have an FTP server running and a remote access server too.. Now I have to run http server with ssl and php support..too. I never was a single desktop user....(cause I have only one computer and cannot setup the servers in a seperate box.) In a few years I gonna have a small 3 boxes home-network. However for a single user workstation I have just started building linux from srcatch.... so Its gonna be the fastest single tiny user workstation that is available out there. |
i have 3 computers now, hooked to a linux router, though i have not set em up as a network , such as print shareing, things like that. i will do as you suggested, for experinece, run all three as a network, file sharing, print sharing , etc. one way to save money, buy ya a monitor that have 2 monitor connections. i bought the sony g520 monitor, and have two boxes hooked to it. bad thing about this is that the monitor was not cheap, though i have seen it for $680. i paid over 900 for mine, got taken to the cleaners.
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Re: Y use Linux instead of windows ??
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sapilas
[B]Give me a good reason to use Linux as the main system instead of windows.. Why did (Sir Edmond) Hillary climb Mt. Everest?.... Because its there |
heh ...
What a nice thread! Welp, WinDOHs is downright bloated and costs a lot. As for speed. On all of my installations Linux is faster than any flavour of winDOHs (ranging from 98 to win2K). I have a fully operable Network at home (p166, 96MB, SuSE 7.0, is my Server/Router/Firewall), Notebook (TP770, PII-266,128MB Slack 8, Athlon-600, 256MB, Slack8) only one machine (the athlon) has win98 on a small partition and slack boots in one third of the time to the login prompt. At work I got win2K pre-installed on a P IV 1.6GHz (I didn't chose the box!) 256MB ... not a problem that PQ Magic couldn't fix :} ... I shrunk w2k to 4GB and left the rest of the HD for Slack 8. Win boots in 1m25s, Slack in 29 s including ncp and smb. :} |
Number one reason why I perfer Linux over windows is the community.
I've been using windows since 3.1 and just a few days ago I made the complete switch to Linux. Theirs is not a Single windows machine here at my home. This is becuase of reason #2, Security and Stability. Outlook Express fux0rd my fraggy NTFS drive to the point of killing my network connection. I know i should of been running some antivirus software but WHY when it costs 30+ dollars and I can use linux and all the advantages that come with it. Stability, Performance, Options, Community, etc. For those of you seriously downing it, not being "desktop ready" your only slowly down the process of it reaching that goal. Load up KDE or Gnome, etc. and play with it, even if you do not develop, or have any interest in doing so, e-mail the developers... the community is what made linux what it is today. the larger we grow, the faster linux become an all-in-one freedom OS. |
I suggest listening to some RMS (Richard M. Stallmen" speeches. They are more the inspiring AND also read "The Joy of Linux" Fun book. makes you proud to be a Linux Citizen.
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I might install lindows one day just to ckeck it out....
it ll be fun.. |
lindows? oh dear... ;) i think you're treading dangerous grounds here... :p
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Those guys want you to pay 99.- bucks to play betatester for a OS that might never make it to the marketplace - nice scam.
I think about opening my own webpage call winux.com and make you a wiener insider for 200.- US$. :D :D :D :D :D :D |
I am not gonna pay that's for sure...
I will go for the w.r.z edition :) :D :D :D |
Now I use SuSe 6.4 + KDE + StarOffice + Opera + Xmms + NT + LimeWire, but have been using win98 for years before.
Basically I can do everything in Linux that I can do in Win98 (these two systems can be compared by age and fit to my CX300 machine). And I can do (almost) everything better in Linux: Once an application freezes or becomes instable I have to reboot in Windows (I cannot reliably kill an application there). In Linux I can kill it with Xkill, and my system is as stable as before - meanwhile I am NOT even disconnected from my dial-up Internet connection. It saves me money. I used to download all night, but the connection should be automatically terminated at 7 a.m. Windows could not do this. There are many little programs promising to do the trick under Windows, but they all failed. It costed me a lot of money. In Linux I just type one simple command and Linux always stops when requested. With StarOffice I can edit text, use spreadsheet, presentations like with MSOffice, and it has much more abilities in editing graphics and drawings than the MS counterpart. With Opera I can browse the Internet, handle my email, newsgroups much faster than with Internet explorer, and it is also a 'printer friendly' browser: it does not fail to compress large tables so that they can be printed on A4 sheets - IE fails. In Opera I can stop pop-up windows and cookies, and it also stopped the Klez worm - IE did not. Xmms looks like Winamp and is as good as the latter. No programs tend to freeze due to sound card problems in Linux - which is a daily practice in Windows. Nowadays, my mouse tends to control one open window only in Windows (other windows can only be controlled by the keyboard) - a thing that I cannot imagine in Linux NT web downloader is as good as their windows couterparts - except that it is not a spyware. LimeWire is as good on Linux as on Windows - except that it may have fewer spyware features. MSAccess is an easy to use database application, and I used it with PWS and asp for some applications. But I see its limits (and PWS's): Access and PWS are rather toys compared to other, free solutions available on Linux, so I gradually migrate to Apache, PosgreSQL and PHP4. These will also better fit on our FreeBSD servers. Namely, our system administrator did not dare to use Windows servers on our intranet so we have FreeBSD ones. It was a great choice: these FreeBSD servers and my Linux machine were the only stable points when our Intranet was ruined by the Klez worm. There is only one thing I miss in Linux: games. So the most I can tell of Windows: it is a better game platform. However, I would not recommend it for any other purpose. Bye |
support your favorite distro and developers and the games will come.... We just have to show developers and larger linux-based corps. that their is a demand for it. I always hear people saying windows does gaming better, but I highly beleive this will change if we show support. :) It's already happening. If only we could convince the game developers for windows to also release under linux... I'd buy the games, no prob. I think we all wouldn't have a problem with that. More money for them two...
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My experience of Xine isn't very good, I've never managed to persuade it to play a video smoothly, it appears to be horribly unstable (crashing frequently) and the GUI sucks.
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I'm with you, however, on the supporting Linux Games Developing. There is a market out there, and that market is growing...so why are the laws of Market Forces not coming into play? |
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