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Does cop really was provoked to shot 9 times?
Its really shows cops paranoia.
Look, the second cop still aims at the corpse, they really paranoic, they afraid of dead body!
More like predatory death anxiety, the fear of being harmed. That's why you need to be very still and have both hands in plain sight. They will shoot even if you're just reaching for your wallet.
No, that's proved by forensic evidence. They can recreate pretty much how a fight or shooting happened nowadays.
They can falsify anything, I do not trust them. Cops will justify the murderer in all the possible and impossible ways.
If it was really as they said, if it was really proved people would not have rebelled.
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the fear of being harmed.
Yeah, dead body with 9 bullets inside will harm them...
I think the Zimmerman case was much much more about race than this Ferguson case.
I'd definitely agree with that. Walking down the middle of the street is not a major crime anywhere. I think this is a case of the police officer being arrogant or abusive in the manner in which he told them to get off the street and it escalated when Brown returned the abusive language in kind and apparently became aggressive. Police officers are subjected to verbal abuse of this kind regularly and are trained to deal with it. Wilson got himself into a situation in which he was unable to de-escalate without the use of deadly force. He indicated in his interview that tasers were available but he chose not to carry one. That might have helped but we've all read about situations where people, particularly someone the size of Mr. Brown were tasered and it had little or no effect. The fact that he had his police radio tuned to the wrong frequency and was thus unable to get backup is bothersome. From my dealing with police officers over the years, Mr Wilson and his behavior are an aberration. Most police officers in the US never fire their weapons in their entire careers. I suspect Mr Wilsons career as a police officer is pretty much over.
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I do not believe that there is no video, cameras stuck at every building, at every crossroad all over the world. It should be catched by camera.
Maybe but I doubt it. This isn't London or New York with CCTV everywhere but a small suburb of St. Louis.
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Does cop really was provoked to shot 9 times?
Police in the US are generally trained to shoot until the suspect is down and often will empty their weapon. The unusual part is that Wilson hit him 6 times out of 12 shots. Better shot than most or maybe closer to the victim.
I'm wondering also how trashing the local McDonalds and other businesses is going to improve things.
I can tell you have never worked the prison system like I have.
So I can understand why you are clueless 1 2 3.
Well, I'm pretty sure the repliers here are not cops either or affiliated with the law. Just like everyone here, I'm just giving my and opinions on these murders by cops.
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Police in the US are generally trained to shoot until the suspect is down and often will empty their weapon.
Well, cops suspects something and what?? WHO THEY ARE?? Who they are, why these paranoics are entitled to kill everyone they dislikes? Just because they fear? Why my life should depend on some idiot's fears?
And what have I to do being faced with such a cop? Give up? Let him to get me handcuffed? Get on my knees??? Will it save my life? No. Previous link proves it.
I agree with those people who have rebelled. It is the only way to remain human and not to be a sheeps.
Well, cops suspects something and what?? WHO THEY ARE?? Who they are, why these paranoics are entitled to kill everyone they dislikes? Just because they fear? Why my life should depend on some idiot's fears?
And what have I to do being faced with such a cop? Give up? Let him to get me handcuffed? Get on my knees??? Will it save my life? No. Previous link proves it.
That's why I fear the police officers just as much as the criminals. A police officer would shoot me with a full round or more because they think I'm Jason or Freddy Krueger and would get back up and attack them.
Anyone is welcome to apply at their police station and make a change.
Maybe after a few years on the force you can then relate to us exactly how it is to be a policeman or policewoman.
While I value an opinion, I don't value comments that don't include any statistical basis. What you have simply stated is an opinion. What would be better would be to include the broad scope of murder, who is doing it to whom. Exactly how many times do police have to fire upon a civilian. Exactly how many time crooks fire upon innocent people (by the way that is a huge number)
No one wants to change the cycle of violence in downtown areas. Look away from cities and you see a huge drop in all crime. Living in crime ridden neighborhoods like St. Louis and Detroit and Atlanta is not like living in any safe place. Crime runs rampant in these towns. I know, I grew up in downtown Detroit. I know the thoughts of those that live there.
It is not cops murdering. It is crooks and those that don't believe in civilization who destroy cities.
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In my opinion it should be possible to discuss the facts of this case without bringing up the race card.
I'd love to see them then.
This bit about it has been proven forensically that he was reaching for his gun means nothing. Unless his DNA is on the gun there is no proof whatsoever apart from 1 man's (a police officer) word. The dead boy doesn't have the right to remain silent, or to speak for that matter, he is dead and can't give his account.
Yes he was big, yes the police officer had a gun, but does that give him the right to offload 6 bullets into the offender when 1 would have done the job? It seems to me that police training needs to go a bit more into "keeping your cool in a difficult situation" cause I'd hate to walk past that police officer when he was having a bad day after this not so little event.
This bit about it has been proven forensically that he was reaching for his gun means nothing. Unless his DNA is on the gun there is no proof whatsoever apart from 1 man's (a police officer) word. The dead boy doesn't have the right to remain silent, or to speak for that matter, he is dead and can't give his account.
Yes he was big, yes the police officer had a gun, but does that give him the right to offload 6 bullets into the offender when 1 would have done the job? It seems to me that police training needs to go a bit more into "keeping your cool in a difficult situation" cause I'd hate to walk past that police officer when he was having a bad day after this not so little event.
Oh, here we go again: the police are evil racist murderers who made everything up, and the crime scene people, investigators, judge and jury are all in on the conspiracy. This is bordering Alex Jones territory. In fact I think this is what Alex "Jonestown" Jones is currently raving about.
This bit about it has been proven forensically that he was reaching for his gun means nothing. Unless his DNA is on the gun there is no proof whatsoever apart from 1 man's (a police officer) word. The dead boy doesn't have the right to remain silent, or to speak for that matter, he is dead and can't give his account.
Yes he was big, yes the police officer had a gun, but does that give him the right to offload 6 bullets into the offender when 1 would have done the job? It seems to me that police training needs to go a bit more into "keeping your cool in a difficult situation" cause I'd hate to walk past that police officer when he was having a bad day after this not so little event.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/crucial-pie...ry?id=27163048
"Evidence released by the Saint Louis County Police Department gave crucial insight into why the Ferguson grand jury decided not to indict Officer Darren Wilson in the death of Michael Brown, a black unarmed teenager.
Here are some key pieces of evidence presented to the grand jury:
1) Police Car Damage
Detectives reported damage to Wilson's police car in their investigative report obtained by ABC News. The car's driver-side window was shattered, and the driver-side mirror was bent towards the car, possibly indicating evidence of a fierce struggle between Wilson and Brown while the officer was still seated in his patrol car.
2) A Witness' Journal Entry
A journal entry by someone police only identified as "Witness 44" said that Brown charged at Wilson, even after Wilson fired his gun. "The cop just stood there," the entry read. "Dang if that kid didn't start running right at the cop like a football player. Head down. I heard three bangs, but the big kid wouldn't stop."
3) Wilson's Medical Examination
Wilson sustained bruising in the face, neck, and scalp areas after "he was hit in the face a couple of times," according to a police report. Wilson also reported jaw pain, according to a medical examination report.
4) A DNA Analysis Report
A DNA analysis report revealed that Brown's DNA was found inside Wilson's car, on the officer's shirt and pants, and the interior left front door handle. Brown's blood was also found on Wilson's gun, according to the police investigation. That evidence appeared to support Wilson's claim that Brown punched the officer while Wilson was seated in his car and reached in and struggled over Wilson's gun. Wilson said he fired twice while in the car."
It always amazes me when people on one hand assume other people are different just because of their more recent ancestors' geography (and therefore culture and maybe skin pigmentation) but at the same time assume that there is no difference in the emotional makeup of a person that wants to be an accountant and one who wants to be president, or a paratrooper, or a policeman. Some people, maybe most people, are quite content to be "armchair quarterbacks" while a few are driven to be "on the field of conflict".
Some people just want to raise a family and be safe and generally despise even having to make any momentous decisions (as in self-employment or being the CEO) let alone truly risky behavior. Other people, and this IS a DNA thing not so much that it is passed down directly but in how DNA controllers setup a persons "wiring" and also the environment they are exposed to and influenced by as babies and children, are called "thrill seekers". There are also combinations with other personality types such a A1, over achievers and such.
We can talk about the makeup of people who actually wish to be and work toward being a leader or to hold high public office but since this is about police, now that the basic differences are loosely established I'll confine it to them.
While I may read about it, I don't have any direct experience with the police in other countries, and it is not my opinion that all police are thugs in the US, but they most certainly are generally NOT average Joes who would be happy, as an accountant. They are people who thrive on personal power (especially over others) and get excited by danger rather than frightened. It is extremely common in the US that all such police jobs, including so-called "rent-a-cops", attract large numbers of war veterans who are learned and adapted to violent confrontation. Many enjoy it.
Now most of these men are also fairly stable and a few are even well-educated and know considerable about the law and don't assume they are above it, but many do assume they are a step above common civilians. There are however some percentage who start out as real thrill seekers and actually wish for some sort of confrontation so they can use this power and can feel that exciting surge of "Yes! I am the baddest motherfucker on this street and nobody here dares to fuck with ME!". They are wired that way and I have witnessed this on several occasions and seen and heard either directly from others or indirectly from news, and media sources that confirms that some percentage on a larger scale is like I have witnessed.
Some, who didn't start out this way, become so because of the environment in which they live and work. This subject is probably too complicated and long to go in a forum discussion, but it does exist that an "US /vs THEM" mentality evolves and that all are affected by those "no nonsense" guys with macho swagger who are in love with powerful weapons/positions/rank and they are daily exposed to how their fellows look up to those guys so the pressure is there to be more like them - NOT public servants but rather Purveyors of Power for it's own sake ..."The mamby-pamby civilians, judges, lawyers and politicians have no idea how it really is down here on the street so we have to be the ones who keep it all on track out here on the front lines". They should bow down and kiss our feet instead of giving us a hard time".
Then there is The Blue Wall. Over time it becomes evident to even the meekest of clerks that police is a Brotherhood and that even the bad apples would and should be protected when it's time to "circle the wagons" because next it "might be me". One only has to read about people like Serpico or ask a police officer what he thinks of his "brothers" in Internal Affairs to understand how deep this runs and how it fuels the "US /vs. THEM" mentality and foster the supposed right to be judge, jury and executioner and how a specific "Them" can flood over to ANY "them" on days when you are particularly upset about how "Them" "fucks with you and your brothers".
There have been entire police forces in smaller towns in which every member was in the KKK. That should speak volumes to anyone assuming that all our police are protectors of The Constitution. This Brotherhood is a multi-layered "cake" and the most common and trusted are the local guys with whom you work. Federal Agents for example are pain in the ass bigshots who don't understand local problems and "ways" and just get in your way at "keeping the peace" in your town... and they "steal all the credit". Feds have their own Brotherhood and perspective and the boundaries between Us and Them is fuzzy.
All we civilians are by no means exempt from provincial perspective and thinking. It is a human condition. In the US very few people have driven all over the country to see just how big it is and nobody really can grasp the enormity of 250,000,000+ plus people. Even if there were a jaw-dropping 250 incidents each year of civilians actually murdered by cops that would still only be 0.000001 or .0001%. Given the circumstances and the abundant opportunities for "things to go badly" this is an amazingly low occurrence and deserves a great deal of gratitude and respect. Does it mean we shouldn't be outraged at those few? Hell no! However it does mean we shouldn't assume our entire system is corrupt and broken. Checks and Balances simply works and pretty damned well at that. Just don't drop the ball and keep striving to make it even better.
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