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Old 11-11-2013, 11:27 AM   #16
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is it fully legal that Google checks your emails, and use your data to make promotions/adv... and earn money?
Yes, because it's in the terms and conditions of service that people agree to when they sign up.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 01:52 PM   #17
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Yes, because it's in the terms and conditions of service that people agree to when they sign up.
no, really? you agree that your data are public?
 
Old 11-11-2013, 02:05 PM   #18
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Read the terms carefully. They're certainly available from Google.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 02:10 PM   #19
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Read the terms carefully. They're certainly available from Google.
It reminds me facebook, when you do not own anything anymore, once you created your account.

Bravo People sign in really for anything
If they asked for your credit card number and free access, maybe some would do it though...
 
Old 11-11-2013, 03:13 PM   #20
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no, really? you agree that your data are public?
Data is not public, it is used by Google etc. in order to display targeted adverts. It's all in the terms and conditions, it's pretty much the same for all "free" providers.

I had a big piece typed about the economics of the internet, but I've deleted it as it usually turns into a flame-war when the finances of websites etc. gets discussed.
 
Old 11-11-2013, 05:33 PM   #21
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It surprises me. I'm not a criminal, and if I were, I'd not be so stupid as to arrange my crimes by email. They're welcome to read my mail any time they want to. Of course, if they read everybody's, they'd need to recruit half the population to wade through it.

I have seen it listed in several places that there are so many laws that at any given moment you are breaking at least one.

I have never drank and driven, should I have a breathalyzer on my truck just in case? I haven't ever shot innocent people, should I loose my second amendment rights just in case? Is there now a pre-crime division of the government thats going to read our e-mails and thoughts to arrest us?
 
Old 11-12-2013, 10:41 AM   #22
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I have never drank and driven, should I have a breathalyzer on my truck just in case?
In France, every motorist must carry their own breathalyser, to save the gendarmerie from having to supply them.

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I haven't ever shot innocent people, should I loose my second amendment rights just in case?
I seem to remember that its purpose was to guarantee the availability of a militia (the founding fathers being averse to paying for anything more than a minimal professional army). So, if you exercise your right to bear arms, I hope you exercise your duty and belong to the National Guard.
 
Old 11-12-2013, 11:47 AM   #23
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In France, every motorist must carry their own breathalyser, to save the gendarmerie from having to supply them.


I seem to remember that its purpose was to guarantee the availability of a militia (the founding fathers being averse to paying for anything more than a minimal professional army). So, if you exercise your right to bear arms, I hope you exercise your duty and belong to the National Guard.
'militia' is the incorrect interpretation often quoted by the media. Now lets say that it really did mean militia, there is nothing that defines a militia therefore I can be a militia of one. So the semantics of the interpretation of wording between then and now really don't matter.

Pick the first amendment then, do we require everyone to pursue a journalism degree before expressing an opinion?

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Old 11-12-2013, 02:08 PM   #24
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Can some-one explain to me why I should want an email service? My ISP gives me a mailbox, Claws uses it: end of story.
The reason I decided to buy a domain name and have my email hosted with a paid provider is because about ten years ago over the span of about two years, my ISP was bought out by another company, and then that happened again two more times. My ISP-provided email address (the domain name part of it) changed each time. It was a huge and time-consuming bother to notify all my contacts and online accounts each time it happened. On that last occurrence, I decided to get my own domain and paid service provider so I wouldn't have to change my email address every time my ISP changed. My ISP still gives me an email address, but I've never used it.

Now I've been happily using the same email addresses since 2006. Over that time I've switched email service providers twice without having to notify my contacts or update my online accounts. My email address remains the same no matter who I pay to provide the email service.

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Old 11-15-2013, 06:39 AM   #25
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Can some-one explain to me why I should want an email service? My ISP gives me a mailbox, Claws uses it: end of story.
Because if you switch to another ISP, you'll have to change your E-mail address. And if you want your E-mail address to always stay the same, go with someting aside from your ISP's mail box.

EDIT: wrote it before I read Z038's post.

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Old 11-19-2013, 06:53 AM   #26
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Because if you switch to another ISP, you'll have to change your E-mail address. And if you want your E-mail address to always stay the same, go with someting aside from your ISP's mail box.

EDIT: wrote it before I read Z038's post.
Thats the main reason I did my own domain name.

Basically a few years back after having Time Warner Road Runner internet for 5 or so years they couldn't seem to fix our problem. Our internet connection would get so slow as to be unuseable. I placed numerous support calls over the period of a few months and started going up the management chain. Finally got some high level manager and when I told her that my wife couldn't even get to the school library web site or do the online college class she informed me that was in violation of their TOS because their service was "for entertainment purposes only" so I had to move to someone else.

Now think about a dozen or so forums like this one you have to go change your e-mail contact in. Than all the online banking and utilities. Then online shopping sites that you may only use once a year or so, or the tax program, etc. Plus notify all family and friends and now a days social media sites. So since I had to change me e-mail from .rr.com to something else anyway I choose to register my own domain name then find a host of it. So I made that change once and notified everyone and was done with it once and for all.
 
Old 11-19-2013, 09:39 PM   #27
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Really, folks, the internet is a public place.

Govern yourselves accordingly.
 
Old 11-20-2013, 11:04 PM   #28
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I use and love Yandex mail. No problems with it at all. While I realize that nothing is ever 100% safe and secure I would still rather use an email that is out of my country. Until the NSA and these laws get under control I just don't trust any of them.
 
  


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