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Old 05-31-2005, 10:05 PM   #1
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Question Where is the Embedded Linux "HOWTO" at http://www.tldp.org ?


Do they need someone to write it for them?

I'll do it! First they have to lend me some money to buy all the Embedded Linux guide books that have been out for about 3 years now and then I'll get back to them after "awhile". :)

Seriously though, anyone know when The Linux Documentation Project will have a HOWTO for Embedded Linux?

I know we have a Book Review for Building Embedded Linux Systems here at LQ.org, but I was just wondering if anyone from the "community" knew when the tldp would have it too so I don't have to buy another book.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 09:42 AM   #2
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t3gah,

I'm really getting tired of you posting all these threads you start in Linux - General when they belong in other forums. Your asking about a totally different site that is not associated with LQ.org in any such ways. Asking if they are going to have a HowTo or not would be up to them and who writes it. Have you read any of their links on how HowTo's are submitted and maintained?

Contribute Link - Tells you how to contribute to the project.
In Progress - Tells you who's currently working on what.
Unmaintained - Unmaintained HowTo's
How to Submit - How to submit HowTo's with their format rules, etc.

So if you actually read anything on their site or browsed around, I'm not sure how you missed these links, they're all on the front page..
 
Old 06-01-2005, 06:26 PM   #3
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t3gah,

I'm really getting tired of you posting all these threads you start in Linux - General when they belong in other forums. Your asking about a totally different site that is not associated with LQ.org in any such ways. Asking if they are going to have a HowTo or not would be up to them and who writes it. Have you read any of their links on how HowTo's are submitted and maintained?

Contribute Link - Tells you how to contribute to the project.
In Progress - Tells you who's currently working on what.
Unmaintained - Unmaintained HowTo's
How to Submit - How to submit HowTo's with their format rules, etc.

So if you actually read anything on their site or browsed around, I'm not sure how you missed these links, they're all on the front page..
There it is. Linux - General is about Linux. The Linux Documentation Project is about Linux, not General things as in this current forum where you have moved my Thread.

Many other people ask about similar things that have nothing to do with LQ.org. Are you saying they should stop posting completely like you are to me?

You indeed answered my question which I didn't know the answer to. You also proved it's about Linux and not a general thing like say, plumbing.

I fail then to see why the thread has been moved since the title of their site and the content clearly shows it's about Linux and not say, agriculture.

I posted a question about a Linux site in the "Linux - General" forum just for the reasons I've stated. I suppose next time I should post all my questions is "General" then and let you move them where they belong because I clearly do not understand the English language as you are inferring by my "mispost in the wrong section of a Linux website question".

That of course would be the childish thing to do and I wont succum to such ways as posting where things don't belong. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I'll always be confused as to why you think "The Linux Documentation Project" has nothing to do with Linux, but at they say "to each his or her own". Enjoy.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 06:43 PM   #4
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EDIT: I usually don't read the front page as it's filled with all sorts of things when all anyone really wants is the HOWTO section. Which is what I have bookmarked in my brain. This link alone.....
Chapter 5. Single list of HOWTOs

As I was looking for a HOWTO and NOT a guide, I just went for the HOWTO link. They, tldp.org don't do guides. They post links of other people who have done them. Hence my original question about The Linux Documentation Project posted in the Linux - General forum.... which words match but don't according to you.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 06:50 PM   #5
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Linux-General is for Linux related technical questions. Yes, some non-technical questions are in there, but feel free to request that they be moved, with solid reasons.

Although you are asking about a Linux website, questions about the location of webpages, comments about websites (that aren't LQ), questions about why a site is down and that sort of thing belong in the General forum.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 06:59 PM   #6
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Originally posted by XavierP
Linux-General is for Linux related technical questions. Yes, some non-technical questions are in there, but feel free to request that they be moved, with solid reasons.

Although you are asking about a Linux website, questions about the location of webpages, comments about websites (that aren't LQ), questions about why a site is down and that sort of thing belong in the General forum.
This is the description from LQ.org about the forum in question.

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Linux - General [View new posts]
This forum is for General Linux Questions.
If it is Linux Related and doesn't seem to fit in any other forum then this is the place.
Quote Link: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/index.php


Please rewrite this to your definition because clearly I was in the right. It doesn't state "technical only".

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Old 06-01-2005, 07:02 PM   #7
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If we update all forum descriptions to cover every eventuality, they will become unusable. The post was legitimately moved, it will still be answered, so there is no problem.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 07:05 PM   #8
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If we update all forum descriptions to cover every eventuality, they will become unusable. The post was legitimately moved, it will still be answered, so there is no problem.
Ok, I gotcha. "Linux related" means something other than what dictionary.com states both "Linux" and "related" mean when used in a sentence that makes sense.

I see... kinda...
 
Old 06-01-2005, 07:24 PM   #9
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Ok, I'll bite: related means to be associated or connected. Taken to it's logical conclusion, everything is Linux-related and so the General forum is unnecessary.

Well, this is quickly becoming a semantics chat, rather than a "where is a topic on TLDP?" thread.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 07:38 PM   #10
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I just now realized that people who have their User CP option to NOT see General posts in the New Posts thread won't benefit from TickyKid's answer about The LINUX Documentation Project and Embedded LINUX HOWTO.

ugh.
 
Old 06-01-2005, 08:25 PM   #11
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I just now realized that people who have their User CP option to NOT see General posts in the New Posts thread won't benefit from TickyKid's answer about The LINUX Documentation Project and Embedded LINUX HOWTO.

ugh.
Oh stop your crying and whining.... our rules also state that we have reserved the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

I moved your question not because it has the word Linux in it but because you were asking if and when the www.tldp.org site was going to have a specific HowTo on their site.
To me, that is not a Linux question that belongs in our Linux General.. but General. So get over it. We also have rules in place that you should respect our decisions, this is not your site, its not a right to post here, its a privilege and a privilege you can lose. So stop your bickering and move on, I moved and answered your question, get over it already.

If you want to continue to complain, email me or the site admin privately but lets drop this now or this thread will be closed even if you make one little peep in regards to it.

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Old 06-04-2005, 02:10 AM   #12
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Well, the reason I posted a question at LQ.org in the Linux - General section was because I thought that people from tldp might have accounts here at LQ.org since there's no mention of who people are that are registered at LQ.org

So you see I was expecting someone who actually knows to answer my question since again I didn't think only users are registered here as many other forums at LQ.org have shown (distro mgr's, founders, help people) have accounts here at LQ.org.

Again you can find out many things from the host site as trickykid pointed out but that's if you email tldp and wait for the response that may never come.

In my case I was hopeful that the moto "where Linux users come for help." of LQ.org might mean that the actual people from the "Linux community", as in the people that make things happen for us users might reply to my query as I already stated.

I'm NOT whining about anything as again I've stated twice now that I expected an answer from someone that might be registered here at LQ.org and is someone of authority from TLDP project, not moderators saying this and that, etc.

Thanks anyway.

(maybe someone from TLDP will answer my query one day...)
 
Old 06-04-2005, 10:40 AM   #13
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Well, the reason I posted a question at LQ.org in the Linux - General section was because I thought that people from tldp might have accounts here at LQ.org since there's no mention of who people are that are registered at LQ.org

So you see I was expecting someone who actually knows to answer my question since again I didn't think only users are registered here as many other forums at LQ.org have shown (distro mgr's, founders, help people) have accounts here at LQ.org.

Again you can find out many things from the host site as trickykid pointed out but that's if you email tldp and wait for the response that may never come.

In my case I was hopeful that the moto "where Linux users come for help." of LQ.org might mean that the actual people from the "Linux community", as in the people that make things happen for us users might reply to my query as I already stated.

I'm NOT whining about anything as again I've stated twice now that I expected an answer from someone that might be registered here at LQ.org and is someone of authority from TLDP project, not moderators saying this and that, etc.

Thanks anyway.

(maybe someone from TLDP will answer my query one day...)
As its true your welcome to ask any question you'd like, but you displayed no results from even attempting to get an answer from the actual source.

Perhaps next time, if you don't find the answer on their site to your question and you email them with the question and then perhaps a few days have passed with no response, maybe with a few followups from you to them, then you should post your question in regards to policies on their site on a different site to see if anyone else knows the answer to your question about their site.

But instead, you took the lazy approach and just asked your question here since you admitted you didn't even look at their site, you just didn't find the howto in their list of howto's so it prompted you to just ask your question here. That's just as bad as those asking about eBay rules on this forum instead of asking eBay themselves..



And to think you actually complain when members don't read howto's before asking questions.. ughh!!

I gave you an answer to your question to the best of my ability just by looking at their index page, it was way more than you had accomplished. Perhaps instead of prejudging their response time, you should first email them instead of assuming they might never respond to you that's if you can't find the answer to your question. They even have mailing lists setup, so I'm sure its more than one person that could answer any questions you might have in regards to their site.

I'll tell you one thing though.. their http://www.tldp.org/authors/inprogress.html#inprogress page shows you what is being reviewed and what's being worked on.. don't see an Embedded Linux howto there, so if its not in their list and not in the works.. to me that answers your main question!

So you want to write one to have placed on their site, go for it then. Read their other pages on how to submit, create, and anything else they require to get howto's up on the site.. I don't really see any reason you would need to email them with your original question.. perhaps, its just laziness on your part cause you can't read their pages which seem to be very well documented on the process of creating howto's on their site.
 
Old 06-06-2005, 01:55 AM   #14
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"The" Embedded Linux website for info is http://www.linuxdevices.com if anyone is interested in the details of Embedded Linux Systems and their Operating Systems.


The site has details about all sorts of hardware including motherboards. Pictures are up for every motherboard and they have reviews and the motherboard web link in case you want to check out the manufacturers sites.


ANd then linuxdevices.com goes one step further with including commercially sold devices that have embedded Linux as the o/s.

The site is the most complete site for Embedded Linux to date.

I didn't get a chance to check out if they have books listed there, etc.

So if you are wondering about Embedded Linux stuff, http://www.linuxdevices.com is the site to go to for 'everything you ever wanted to know about Embedded Linux'.

And as a note, I posted the Homepage for http://www.linuxdevices.com here at LQ.org's section Linux Links under the Hardware sub-section.




Now if tldp.org would just put up a page with a note describing what Embedded Linux is and where you can go to found out more after you've bought O'Reilly's "Building Embedded Linux Systems" book, the open source world will be a more informed place to be. But they, TLDP seems to be lagging in the HOWTO, GUIDE and INFO area these days, so maybe people of the Open Source community are just better off coming to LQ.org for all their Open Source needs!!!
 
Old 06-06-2005, 07:35 AM   #15
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Now if tldp.org would just put up a page with a note describing what Embedded Linux is and where you can go to found out more after you've bought O'Reilly's "Building Embedded Linux Systems" book, the open source world will be a more informed place to be. But they, TLDP seems to be lagging in the HOWTO, GUIDE and INFO area these days, so maybe people of the Open Source community are just better off coming to LQ.org for all their Open Source needs!!!
Different sites have different priorities.. not happy with the site, start your own.. its a free internet last time I checked.. well, somewhat free..
 
  


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