alcohol (only select if you have gotten drunk) Why the limitation?

Tobacco, cannabis, ethanol, benzodiazepines..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreational_drug
Because drinking small quantities does not produce any effect. This varies from person to person. You don't have to get really drunk, but it has to alter your personality to achieve an effect.

For example I rarely drink alcohol, only for some celebration, and I never get drunk because I don't drink enough to alter my state. There is also difference of intent. Many drink at bars or parties to alter their personality and be more "friendly".

I dont drink coffee. I prefer tea.

Caffeine and alcohol- I'm not a regualr user, nice on occasion.

Cannabis and tobacco- I use on a fairly regualr basis.

Amphetamines- ('old speed' not meth or MDMA......and I wouldnt have put MDMA with amphetimines even if they are the same family). Didnt like speed the 1st time, the only reason I ever did it again was to avoid getting beaten up by crazy bikies. The funny thing is taht for me and my body/brain I chemistry find caffeine is actually a better stimulant than speed. I get just as much of a 'kick' out of caffine as speed, and there are less nasty side effects.

Mushrooms- I've tried a few times, not they they did anything to me.

LSD- (well, 'acid' which isnt quite the same thing) I loved, but didnt use that much. I saw what hapened to people who used it too much before I ever tried it. I limited myself to one 'trip' every 6 months max with a year break being fairly common.

Difficult poll though......does having my drink spiked count as 'used'?

If so add herion (IMO limiting to just heroin/morphine is a mistake). Also solvents at work...not I ever liked it, the effect of solvents is something I find sickening.

Nicotine is most certainly a drug. You wont get much effect from cigarettes/cigars/pipes or chewing tobacco, the concentration of nicotine is too low. There is a drug from australia which has been known for a very long time by aboriginals with (AFAIK) nicotine as one of the main active ingredients. Its quite dangerous (more info if anybody cares) and rare...

Solvents are drugs as well. Take that from someone who has seen a few people get seriously screwed over from recreational solvent use. For a long time I worked with some nasty industrial solvents (mostly xylene and toluene) and I used to get high as a kite while doing my best to avoid it.

Jeebizz said that he thought that cannabis ('c') is more dangerous than alcohol ('a') or tobacco ('t') A link saying that 'c' is dangerous doesnt make it more dangous than 'a' or 't'.

Thats a _very_ fine line to draw. For myeslf I rarely drink, but if I do I can feel the effect of even 1/1.5 'standard drinks'. Thats a long way from drunk, not even really tipsy, and my personality isnt affected, but I can feel it.

I used to be a tea addict, like 6-7 times a day. Just like a cigarette addict, after every meal I needed one and I generally take 5-6 short meals every day.
Realized it started affecting my stomach and appetite badly. I'm down to strictly 2 per day now.

Ketamine - I've got operated thrice so far and they had to knock me off before that. I assume it was Ketamine they used on me.

Regards.

I was in Amsterdam over xmas and the people (residents, visitors and tourists) all told me that the law didn't apply to Amsterdam but just the places near land borders because the police there didn't like all the people crossing the borders to get high.
I certainly was not ID'd at all and didn't see anyone else being and I'm obviously (by my accent) English.

The whole situation has been and still is rather weird.

Simplefied: The Dutch law states that (soft) drugs are illegal; selling and buying. The unwritten law states that you can carry 5 grams and coffee-shops (those that also sell coffee...) are allowed to sell to all persons above 18 and have a certain amount of product on the premises. This is the way it has been for decades.

It is however illegal to buy/sell larger amounts. Which makes me wonder how the coffee-shops are supplied

The current racket is officially based on "Foreigners getting high", but looking at the solution that was suggested (a Dutchman has to become a registered member of one or more coffee-shops) one could also start to think that this is a nice way to get a list of all the people in the Netherlands that use soft drugs......

And every so often the other EU members try to change our ways (with varying success). Go solve your own problems!!! ()

Actually the body is affected by as little as a half ounce of alcohol. The degree of effect is variable of course. I still say solvents are not "drugs" though there are thsoe who use them recreationally. Hell, there are people who abuse mouthwash and less palatable substances too.

You know what might be interesting? A poll that would correlate recreational drug use with distro choice.

I note that most of the druggies seem to be Slackers. Which is cause, which is effect?

Couple of problem with this.
If we don't have to take part why are we told NOT to select nothing? You are going to let us choose to take part or not. If we don't take part we are then going against your requirement to NOT select nothing.

Not valid in any way shape or form. People use alcohol to relax (similar to nicotene) and can do so without getting drunk. Therefor your requirement concerning alcohol should be applied to other drugs used for similar reasons for this to be valid or, as you say, useful.

I read it that you weren't to tick "none" if you also ticked any other drug, since they are mutually exclusive.
As to the alcohol, I'd suppose the intention is the difference between having eaten a liqueur chocolate twice and had a glass or two to relax at least twice. A fine line but, unless I'm misunderstanding H_TeXMeX_H it's an arbitrary way of saying "enjoy the effects of alcohol" as opposed to "have consumed alcohol". I don't read any more into it.

I confirm

Yes, that's what I was trying to do.

If you eat a few liqueur chocolates or if you drink a small amount of alcohol that has no effect on you, then you are consuming alcohol, but not for recreational purposes. If I would say, select alcohol no matter how little you intake, then it just wouldn't make sense in such a poll, it would skew the poll in fact.

You can take it to mean what you will, but don't select alcohol unless you actually use enough to affect you.