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Old 09-16-2008, 08:08 PM   #1
futurer0ckstar
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What is the best distro for a Dell Inspiron 1420 (NOT the 1420n)?


Hello! I'm futurer0ckstar and this is my first post. I've been wanting to switch to Linux but it hasn't really worked out...there have been too many things that confuse me for me to even begin the switch.

Anyway! So I have a couple of questions here.

1)What is the best distro for the Dell Inspiron 1420 (with no N)? I have already tried Ubuntu 8.04 and I don't really like it because of a couple of compatibility issues. I was thinking PCLinuxOS or openSUSE, but I'm not sure. Also, I tried Fedora but that really didn't go well. There was no sound, the text was half chipped off...ugh.

Here are my specs:

Dell Inspiron 1420 Pro configuration

Processor: Core 2 Duo T5750 @ 2.00GHz
RAM: 3 GB
Hard Drive: 250GB SATA Hard drive
Video: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 (PRIORITY)
Audio: I'm not sure...but it's by Sigmatel (HIGH PRIORITY)
Battery: 6-cell
Wireless Card: Dell 1395 Wireless Networking Card (HIGH PRIORITY)
Webcam: Integrated 2.0MP Webcam with microphones (HIGH PRIORITY)
Important Hardware: 8-in-1 Digital Media Card Reader, 2 Headphone ports, 1 Microphone port, 4 USB ports, CD/DVD Drive (I want to watch DVDs), Media Buttons

I can't think of any other hardware right now...

2) Also I have not been able to work with dual-booting very well (this is why I posted this in General). Vista always gives me a blue screen complaining about hard disk space if I have Linux on another partition. Can anyone please help me here? I'm really stumped. BTW, I am giving Vista 200GB and Ubuntu 20GB.

3) I want to emulate NES, SNES, N64, SEGA Genesis, and Playstation. How much luck am I gonna get?

BTW I am a total Linux newbie. I've read Linux for Dummies, but that's about it.

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Old 09-16-2008, 10:12 PM   #2
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Pick one, solve whatever issues there may be, and go with it.

Try Slackware.

What do you have on the Windoze drive that it complains about 200GB?????? Many dual boot machines don't have that much total space.
 
Old 09-16-2008, 10:18 PM   #3
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1)What is the best distro for the Dell Inspiron 1420 (with no N)? I have already tried Ubuntu 8.04 and I don't really like it because of a couple of compatibility issues.
Like what? Chances are, they are solveable - and most linuxes will have similar problems.

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I was thinking PCLinuxOS or openSUSE, but I'm not sure. Also, I tried Fedora but that really didn't go well. There was no sound, the text was half chipped off...ugh.
What works really well, is to get to the Ubuntu terminal and enter "lspci", paste the output over to the forum. If you don't have net access from ubuntu, then past to a text file which you can access from another OS.

Probably it looks something like this.

The only issues I note are graphics acceleration and wifi:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400M GS (rev a1)
0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4310 USB Controller (rev 01)
... these will give trouble in any distro, usually requiring post-install work to get going. The good news is that this is almost routine.

The non-lspci issue I noticed was the webcam, which there are drivers for. In fact, from that site, Arch Linux may be one for you to try, though I see no reason that Ubuntu won't work.

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2) Also I have not been able to work with dual-booting very well (this is why I posted this in General). Vista always gives me a blue screen complaining about hard disk space if I have Linux on another partition. Can anyone please help me here? I'm really stumped. BTW, I am giving Vista 200GB and Ubuntu 20GB.
Well - that's certainly plenty.

What is the exact error? (You need to be precise)
What do you need Vista for anyway? (The most effective solution is to avoid Windows completely - it don't play well with other children.)

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3) I want to emulate NES, SNES, N64, SEGA Genesis, and Playstation. How much luck am I gonna get?
Depends how recent you need the emulation to be. There are emulators for many platforms - however, you will have better luck asking about the specific game. There may be free ports or enhanced versions available natively.

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Old 09-16-2008, 10:31 PM   #4
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Hello, I have an Inspiron 1525, so we have some config similarities...

The X3100 graphics I got working out of the box with the xf86-video-intel with native resolution, audio worked right after installing and configuring ALSA.
I have a different wireless card and haven't played too much with the web cam, so no comments on that.
The card reader worked without any special effort, I guess it depends on HAL, so if HAL works and permissions are correct...
The DVD thing I think it depends more on the media player of your choice (I like Xine), but you'll need libdvdcss to watch encrypted DVDs.
The media buttons I configured using xbindkeys directly to control Amarok, but I'm planning to use ReMoot to control different apps at the same time.

I use Arch, and I don't know if there's any distro that configures everything out of the box, I thought Ubuntu was better at this point.

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Old 09-17-2008, 01:40 AM   #5
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I can't be precise about the error because it goes by so fast I don't get a chance to read all of it. To tell you the most I can, it says "Windows has enountered a problem and needs to restart. If the problem persists, make sure you have enough disk space". And it only happens when another partition is occupied by Linux.

If it helps, my PS3 did this, too. When I put Ubuntu on another partition, I couldn't install any more games on the PS3 Gaming partition because it claimed that the hard drive was full.

And relax people, I'm a Linux noob. I have NO CLUE on how to install anything within the Linux world besides the OS itself, much less memorize all of these gibberish Unix terminal commands.

I need Vista for my emulators and a couple of games--hey--I'm only 14. Games are my life.

The only thing is, Vista's just not stable. It has security issues out of whack and I don't like the idea of a registry and the way the file system is set up.

What I should've said is: I want Linux, but only if it's going to do all of these things and better than Windows out of the box. I know I'm demanding a lot, but I'm just wondering if there's some distribution out there that will do the trick.
 
Old 09-17-2008, 02:17 AM   #6
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I'm a Linux noob. I have NO CLUE on how to install anything within the Linux world besides the OS itself, much less memorize all of these gibberish Unix terminal commands.
The unix terminal is the power-user tool you need to use to get assistance online. The reason is that there are too many linuxes and only the terminal is common between them. Fortunately, you don't need to memorize anything - just type the commands into the terminal and report what comes out. You can copy and paste from a terminal easy.

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I want Linux, but only if it's going to do all of these things and better than Windows out of the box.
"Better" is a qualitative term - what do you mean by "better"?

"All these things" will be the games you currently run in emulators... I have already replied to this: list the games you want to play and we'll see. Presumably, if a game plays natively, that would be "better" than having to use an emulator?

But lets look at these emulators... in general:
http://www.linux.org/apps/all/System/Emulators.html

NES
http://www.zophar.net/linux/nes.html

SNES
http://www.zsnes.com/

SEGA Genesis
http://www.zophar.net/genesis/regen.html

Playstation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSX_emulator

Basically - there are lots for each platform you list, for any of the linuxes.
In Ubuntu:
- you can use the synaptic package manager's "search" function for "emulator" and you'll get hundreds of them - some for things you didn't dream of.

gxemul and xmess emulate many platforms.

desmume, nestra = nintendo
sega = dgen
playstation = pcsx

Most Windows emulators will run under Wine or QEmu.

Finally - many modern games will now run in Linux and there are linux native games to match many of them.
So it looks like you are not really going to need that Windows around anyway.

If you keep the backup - so you can reinstall if you need to - you can just install a likely looking gnu/linux to the whole machine. Give it a month and see how you got on. Worst-case scenario - you end up reinstalling Windows (or installing XP...) I'm betting you won't miss it.

However - I cannot possibly help you if you won't answer the questions.
 
Old 09-17-2008, 01:29 PM   #7
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Don't try persuading me to completely dump Windows--I will NOT until I can have absolute assurance that Linux will work for me now and as long as this hardware allows (btw XP's not that great). Because I know Windows will (unless it gets infected which is my main concern). I'm typing this post in Ubuntu 8.04 and I must say I'm very disappointed with the battery life...Here's what it's like. Linux idle = little more than Windows Vista running ePSXe in full brightness with a SIXAXIS controller attached (another important hardware piece, btw). I know you can go into the kernel and do some thing involving power management, but I'm pretty far from being able to do that.

I installed Civ III, a more or less modern game and it didn't work. I'm going to try Zoo Tycoon 1 and 2 next. And maybe Sony Media Manager and Office 2007 (because my piano teacher needs to use my laptop and she can't STAND OpenOffice...it drives her nuts).

BTW, if I had to give a list of ALL of my games I plan to emulate, this post would be pretty big so let me just put this in general: for NES? Not so much. Your average Super Mario Bros. and Final Fantasy. for SNES? A LOT. ALL of the Zelda games, Star Fox, more Final Fantasy, Super Mario World (I need not worry, tho, because ZSNES is what I use in WinWorld). Nintendo 64 is very important: Most of Rareware's platformers like Perfect Dark and Banjo-Kazooie, and many of Nintendo's games (including the shining star of them all: Mario Party). For Master System/Genesis I need all of the Sonic the Hedgehog games, Phantasy Star, Shining Force, and a load of Disney movie games. For PSX I need the most and this is the most important console...I need CoolBoarders 3 and 4, all three spyro games, all of the Crash Bandicoot games, Hot Shots Golf 2, all of the Final Fantasy games, both Alundra games, The Legend of Dragoon, and both Gran Turismo games. And that's not nearly all of them.

I can't believe I forgot to mention that I need Linux to work with both my SIXAXIS controller and an Xbox 360 Wired Controller.

And finally, by better I mean faster and on-par graphically. I don't want anything to spoil the emulation since it's important to me, and I want better performance from the thing as a computer overall. Also, I don't want to have to go through so many nerdy processes just to get an application to work, and I'm going to stick with Vista if the battery is always going to be this bad. This laptop is only two months old and I know what I'm doing with my battery.

And finally (the real and finally), I'm answering your questions the best I can so don't get short with me if my answers are not good enough. This is LinuxQuestions, right? Not LinuxAskAQuestionSoYouCanBeBombardedByMoreQuestions.

Results from lspci:

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 02)
00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02)
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02)
00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 02)
00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 6 (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f2)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
03:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 05)
03:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22)
03:01.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 12)
03:01.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 12)
09:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM5906M Fast Ethernet PCI Express (rev 02)
0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g (rev 01)

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Old 09-17-2008, 09:20 PM   #8
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Don't try persuading me to completely dump Windows--I will NOT until I can have absolute assurance that Linux will work for me now and as long as this hardware allows (btw XP's not that great). Because I know Windows will (unless it gets infected which is my main concern).
Hmmm... interesting, as you have just been telling me how it doesn't work to your liking even now

Your problem is with Windows. As windows is closed and proprietary software, there is not much anyone can do for you. You will need to reinstall windows to a single primary partition, then install gnu/Linux.

Gaming in Linux is pretty much a power-user environment, you are unlikely to improve your performance without some "nerdy" tweaks. Windows gamers I know are not allergic to this - but I understand that not everyone is that dedicated. Note - anyone that into games is pretty nerdy to start with, just accept it.

Your emulated games should all be going pretty well, and a high spec machine like yours should handle them without trouble.

For modern, written for Windows, games, you need cedega or a native port or a native version.

eg. Civilization.

CivIII
http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.c...vilization_III
... the "complete edition" installer won't work with cedega.

FreeCiv
http://freeciv.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
... how does the latest freeciv compare with civ3? Note - they are different games.


Power Management is handled, in Ubuntu, from a gui dialog.
However, if your fan is going all the time, you may not have power management switched on at all.

Looking at your lspci output - you may have issues with the video card - not high spec anyway, and the one you have is known to be unstable.

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I'm answering your questions the best I can so don't get short with me if my answers are not good enough. This is LinuxQuestions, right? Not LinuxAskAQuestionSoYouCanBeBombardedByMoreQuestions.
The extra questions are there so I can better help you.

Often a newcomer does not know the right questions to ask to get to a solution. That's expected - you're learning, we get it. So, when your question is unhelpful, we will ask for more information - usually quite specific information. This will let us help you.

I'll use your first question for an example:
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1)What is the best distro for the Dell Inspiron 1420 (with no N)? I have already tried Ubuntu 8.04 and I don't really like it because of a couple of compatibility issues. I was thinking PCLinuxOS or openSUSE, but I'm not sure. Also, I tried Fedora but that really didn't go well. There was no sound, the text was half chipped off...ugh.
... this is better than the usual "help me" demand, granted, but needs work which you probably weren't even aware of. What were those compatibility problems? Sound problem in fedora (which release?) is intreguing, maybe some unusual components on the mobo. Hence the request for lspci output. It may look gibberish to you, but it is very plain and easy to understand to me. Thats why I wanted it. It is a list of exactly what is installed and where, instead of what the vendor claims is there.

At the very least, knowing the nature of your dissatisfaction with previous tries helps suggest a distro which will avoid them, or lets us know that you are wasting your time and GNU/Linux ain't right for you.

One of the advantages of giving free support on these forums is that I get to tell the client the best advise for them instead of having to tell them what they want to hear. I charge NZ$1-300 per hour for the latter kind. I put it to you, when someone who gets that kind of money wants to tell you something for free... it's probably worth taking it seriously. (You can still disagree.)

You got a reply - Arch Linux - and a link with a howto. But it was qualified... you have had poorly specified issues with other distros which would otherwise have been suggested (Ubuntu, fedora). You have suggested OpenSUSE and PCLinuxOS - these will have the same problems (OpenSUSE will be like fedora and PCLOS will be like Ubuntu) as you have already experienced.

It has also been suggested that you pick one you would prefer and solve the problems.

My advise still stands - trail a stand-alone GNU/Linux box for a month. If you still don't like it, reinstall Vista. At worst, your skills using Vista will have improved. That's if you are serious about wanting to move.

If you do not want to learn about your computer, considering what you want to do with it, I suggest you get an XBox or a PS3 - a games appliance. Until then - happy hacking on Windows.
 
Old 09-19-2008, 07:40 PM   #9
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Okay, there are officially too many Windows-specific things I'm doing with my computer that would be either impossible or a waste of time to work with in Linux...not only is Windows right there for me at the moment, but as long as I hold on to my antivirus software I just installed, it will be just as secure as Linux and anytime some virus overrides my system32 or Windows files, I can just slap in the reinstall disk, repair the OS and get them copied back. Simple as that. Computer slowing down? Defragging the hard drive gets it up to full speed (and it does because I actually defragment once a week unlike most).

However, don't discard me as a Windows fanboy here because I actually like Linux. But for the things it wants me to do it's just not good enough out of the box (I say out of the box because it technically is possible to do all these things).

I DID look into Arch Linux (haven't tried it out but if they have live media I'll learn it and see how Linux works), and apparently they contradict themselves by claiming to be a "simple, lightweight Linux distribution", whereas it's more for intermediate or advanced Linux users. I'll try it, though.

I will spread Linux and recommend it amongst communites, though, because for what most people do on the computer, it fits the bill while being secure and being there for the end user who just wants to word process or is involved in a business. But those of us who work with emulators and/or other nifty things like video editing (sorry folks Cinelerra does not compare to Premiere), Windows is and probably almost will be THE OS. My dad's office desktop is running XP and has some problems, so I'm going to let him try Ubuntu; I think he'll like it.

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Hmmm... interesting, as you have just been telling me how it doesn't work to your liking even now
Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 is an AMAZING operating system. It does work for me. I'm just concerned about viruses. But now, with AVG Antivirus, I don't have to worry about any of that.

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Your problem is with Windows. As windows is closed and proprietary software, there is not much anyone can do for you. You will need to reinstall windows to a single primary partition, then install gnu/Linux
You know, I hate it when people think "[[[GASP]]] IT'Z CLOZED SOURCE SOFTWAREZ! THEY'R AN ABOMNITATION TO US FREEDOMZ". It makes them look stupid. First off, if everything was open source, would our computer technology be anywhere today? NO! Closed source software is in Linux's DNA. Without proprietary, closed source software, there would be no Linux, and there would be no UNIX, and there would be no user-friendly computers in the market today. Thank your lucky stars for proprietary software.

Now, I'm going to give Linux a few years (and each time a new version of Ubuntu, Fedora, or Arch comes out I will burn a liveCD and try it out), and since Linux population explodes in a greater magnification with every new version of a distro, I'm setting high expectations that in 2010 or 2011, Linux will be the operating system I've always wanted it to be. If it isn't, I'm buying a copy of Windows 7 because I know it, too, will work well with my computer.

By "there is not much anyone can do for you" do you mean that I won't be able to get much support? Hello?

Linux support = forum boards comprised of highly intelligent power-users who have been at this for years and know what they're doing

Windows support = That same kind of support PLUS help from Microsoft and your computer manufacturer. Try getting THAT in Linux.

So with all due respect, Linux SUCKS (I know it seems weird that I'm saying that because I spoke so many good things about Linux in this post, but just bare with me here). Now don't take that offensively. What I mean is that for what I want to do it just doesn't work. There is only operating system that "just works" in this world and for me it's Windows Vista Home Premium SP1. It may be (and most likely is) a different OS for you, whether it be Ubuntu, Fedora, Arch, Sabayon, Slackware, openSUSE, PCLinuxOS, or even Mac (I cringe at that)!


Now! To answer your questions!

I was using Fedora 9.

Giving support like you do is awesome, but I can get that kind of support for Windows as well.

Okay, I was taking up your advice for just using Linux. I decided that I would only use Ubuntu for 30 days (still keeping Windows on my computer) and I missed Vista too much within 3 or 4 days. So I gave up and here I am, telling you I'm keeping my Windows!

Now, there's one question I have for YOU: If GNU is the only operating system in the world, and Linux is one of its kernels (like your sig claims), then how could UNIX overall not be an operating system for me?

I'll have a happy time NOT hacking in Windows and playing Civ III without Cedega...and playing my emulator games...and writing stories that have no real plot...and creating games with RPG Maker VX...and staring at my precious ObjectDock...and marveling at my battery life...and...and...and...and...

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Old 09-19-2008, 07:44 PM   #10
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BTW, thanks for the help. I appreciate it and I'm glad I found out which operating system is best for me at the current time.
 
  


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