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Old 04-21-2006, 09:19 AM   #16
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However, it is only a clone, and a clone with less features. It brings no new opportunities or innovation, and is, therefore, pointless.
Well... you are wrong. There's a good reason to clone XMMS and the GTK2 IS an important feature. First, XMMS GUI is way to old. It does not blend well with moderm QT and GTK applications. Also, any moderm computer runs in a 1024x768 or higher resolution (I use 1280x1024) and XMMS looks pretty damn awful. When was XMMS created? Later 90's? If my memory does not fail, I remember using XMMS with Redhat 6.2.

Look at winamp, for example. Instead of adding more features to the old GUI, they've created an entire new GUI and it works well, while still supporting the old features and skins. That's what beep is trying to do: Clone XMMS, but bring it to a moderm user-interface (GTK2) and add the features it needs later. What would be pointless is to keep adding features to the old XMMS with such a dated GUI. XMMS has lost considerable share among Linux users today. I hardly hear XMMS, but I hear a lot about Amarok and Rhythmbox (which are shipped with most distros today, unlike XMMS).

Since you are all comparing software with t-shirts and buildings, think it that way: Would you keep adding floors to an old building, even though the foundations are weak or would you ratter start a new building, with the same features as the old one but with a better, stronger, moderm structure and then add more floors to it? Just a thought...

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Old 04-21-2006, 09:40 AM   #17
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I don't understand the rationale behind this rant.

*Somebody* totally unrelated to you is working on their free time to produce a software and release it under the GPL which people use and it is not our business to question their motives...

Let me put it this way -- What is *so* wasteful if I waste *my* time cloning another app. Nobody's time is wasted except mine, perhaps and who are you to tell me what to code and what not to code?

And isn't code sharing the spirit behind GPL anyway?

This community aspect sometimes gets too overhyped. Individual freedom is the spirit behind the GNU movement and the so-called community interests are maintained only by the individual freedom... not by directing the community in this way or that, whatever be the motivation and "demanding" the community to move in a particular direction.

That, by the way, usually happens in a corporation... not within a community.

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Old 04-21-2006, 03:22 PM   #18
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That has got to be one of the strangest comparisons I've ever heard.

It's a paraphrase (and probably misuse) of an old quote (supposedly by Bismark)

"Laws are like sausages. It's better to not see them being made."
 
Old 04-22-2006, 09:38 AM   #19
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[QUOTE]Ever considered that maybe, just maybe, BMP was just getting going? If you bothered to read their roadmap, you would see that the first release of BMP was in February of 2006. QUOTE]

That's incorrect. The new version of beep (BMPx) only got going in 2006. The original version of beep (v1) was actually started in 2003: the project is 3 years old now. Go the "about" section of the BMPx program and you'll see at the bottom "2003 - 2006".

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That's what beep is trying to do: Clone XMMS, but bring it to a moderm user-interface (GTK2) and add the features it needs later. What would be pointless is to keep adding features to the old XMMS with such a dated GUI. XMMS has lost considerable share among Linux users today. I hardly hear XMMS, but I hear a lot about Amarok and Rhythmbox (which are chipped with most distros today, unlike XMMS).
Thank you: after about 15 posts somebody actually answered my question as to the point of beep instead of just giving abuse like scuzzman. I prefer the old interface, but maybe that's just me.

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Let me put it this way -- What is *so* wasteful if I waste *my* time cloning another app. Nobody's time is wasted except mine, perhaps and who are you to tell me what to code and what not to code?
Well why not do something more useful? E.g. if you ahve a TV card, why not try and help being better TV support to Linux, which is unfortunately very much still in development? Or something else in an area of need.

Alternatively, why stop at the world of IT? Why not get out there and do soemthing liek help the Hospice movement, or volunteer for charity? Loads of other things you could be doing than cloning a clone even despite beep's aims...
 
Old 04-22-2006, 10:33 AM   #20
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That's incorrect. The new version of beep (BMPx) only got going in 2006. The original version of beep (v1) was actually started in 2003: the project is 3 years old now. Go the "about" section of the BMPx program and you'll see at the bottom "2003 - 2006".
So let me get this straight. You're now complaining that BMP is actually doing something as opposed to complaining that they weren't?
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Well why not do something more useful?
So are we supposed to check with you every time we do something to see how high it rates on your useful meter? I gotta mow my lawn today, is that OK with you?

If it didn't start out this way, this thread has certainly moved into the domain of trolldom.
 
Old 04-22-2006, 07:30 PM   #21
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Thank you: after about 15 posts somebody actually answered my question as to the point of beep instead of just giving abuse like scuzzman. I prefer the old interface, but maybe that's just me.
No problems. Sorry for my spelling though . I also like the old XMMS interface a lot, but it does not look very well in my desktop running at 1280x1024, regarless if I'm using Gnome, KDE or anything else. And that's the native resolution of my LCD, so I stick with it .

You may consider giving a shot to Amarok and/or Rhythmbox as well. They are more popular and has a lot of nice features as well. They are far from being light-weight as XMMS, but I really like them . At least take a look in the screenshots/features if you are not feeling like installing them:

http://amarok.kde.org/

http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/

Good luck!
 
Old 04-22-2006, 10:13 PM   #22
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Well why not do something more useful? E.g. if you ahve a TV card, why not try and help being better TV support to Linux, which is unfortunately very much still in development? Or something else in an area of need.
Why don't you start doing something useful rather than ranting...???????
 
Old 04-23-2006, 01:12 AM   #23
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hmm ... i find this thread weird ...

since when people dislike xmms ?? ... i mean for me xmms = linux but for the "interface" problems , sometimes i got more serious issue with splyheed and gimp ... probably there are more long awaited functions(probably better??) in their newer gui lib. which i wouldnt know but as far as the *apperence* of the gui part of the apps ... they are rather silly and unneeded ... in fact i'm still not too sure about the amount of extra resources needed to draw the gui apperence of those newer apps ... probably insignificant after all ...

as for this amarok and/or this rhythmbox ... what is that ??
maybe i already got them on my linux "somehow" ...


>> "Well why not do something more useful?"

no worry about that ... we are all as useless as each other , who cant stand the sight of a useless ranter like you ... we are not exactly like those really useful human resources who are forever terribly busy in solving problems ... they are great ...



//end my questioning rant ...

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Old 04-24-2006, 05:00 AM   #24
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Why don't you start doing something useful rather than ranting...???????
Maybe I am, and have mastered the art of doing two things at once (!)

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complaining that they weren't?
no, i was originally complaining that they weren't doing anything original, but wasting time producing a clone of something else that already exists, but Mega man X pointed out otherwise

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So are we supposed to check with you every time we do something to see how high it rates on your useful meter?
No, but it *is* my opinion: that's what a rant's alla bout, no?

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Old 04-24-2006, 05:01 AM   #25
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well, i've said everything i wanted to now, i think
 
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