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Anybody had this problem? I've only run across one of these but it's a page I need to visit in my job. It's the home page for the Multiple Listing Service (I'm a Realtor). The page tries to open but then you get an error message which tells you you have to have MSIE 5.0 or better. I've tried changing the identity of my various browsers but nothing works. I've tried Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird, Opera, Galeon and Konqueror. All to no avail. Any ideas? BTW: that one web page was the only reason I had Winblows on my machine at all. Now that I've dumped Microsuck for good I really need to figure out how to view the page in Linux.
"first think about how stupid this is, them assuming msie in a user-string is better than mozilla."
I had this discussion with my brother who's a programmer (doesn't know beans about Linux). He insists that it's just sloppy programming but I think they designed it that way on purpose. Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't put it past the National Association of Realtors to strike some kind of deal with M$ whereby they force their members to use their crappy products in exchange for some kind of kickback.
I agree with your brother. It's just because too many people, who don't know nothing about programing, start making WWW sites. There are also "easy' autogenerators for pages. Try one of them and look at the source...
The main reason is that people thing that when they make a site using one of the 'auto' tools, the site will be good...
Konqueror and Opera allow you to fake the user-agent header, ie. make it look like MSIE. However, I suggest limiting this behavour, because you're not actually telling the world there are alternatives to MSIE (and people are using them too)
Originally posted by yapp Konqueror and Opera allow you to fake the user-agent header, ie. make it look like MSIE. However, I suggest limiting this behavour, because you're not actually telling the world there are alternatives to MSIE (and people are using them too)
I completely agree. PHBs see stats like "90% of all users browser with MSIE" and say, "Great, let's target our development there". In fact, real MSIE use is lower. I'd be curious to know, but all this masquerading makes it impossible to tell.
In the military to see my equivilent of a "pay stub" I have to log into a website that requires IE, or Netscape 4.1 or higher. What the killer was, it identified my browser (Mozilla) as Netscape 5 yet still wouldn't allow me access!
This more than simply enraged me, I was completely torqued and short of sending an email to the president, I let it be known how upset I was...
Originally posted by MasterC In the military to see my equivalent of a "pay stub" I have to log into a website that requires IE, or Netscape 4.1 or higher. What the killer was, it identified my browser (Mozilla) as Netscape 5 yet still wouldn't allow me access!
Yeah... it seams that some never think about testing the capabilities of a browser, instead of analyzing the user-agent even 'professionals' do.
Often when I encounter a web-page that doesn't render good, I try to contact the webmaster. Instead of acting pissed-off, I play a little confused role why I can't get the information I want. (because isn't that where the web is all about?) Sometimes I don't even tell them I use Linux or Mozilla, because I feel like getting a little ignored at that point. Instead, I try to say their web-page isn't that good as it seams
Or you might want to read this little sarcastic, but pretty cool html-hell page
Sometimes a website uses ActiveX or some other MS technology and you will never be able to open it with Mozilla, Konqueror etc.
Nothing irritates me more than a website that requires IE. I often contact the webmasters by email and complain that I can't browse their website with IE because I use Linux. Sometimes they ignore me, sometimes they say that they are sorry but they won't do anything about it...
JOIN MY CAMPAIGN TO USE MOZILLA ON WINDOWS TOO!
Last edited by Mirrorball; 09-18-2003 at 07:38 AM.
Too many developers don't know that browsers besides IE and Netscape can display their pages. Their still stuck back in the last century. So they put a little code in their pages. Basically these people are using an IDE (usually Front Page) and don't know the much about web development.