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Old 03-20-2003, 11:47 AM   #16
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Let me straighten out all you liberals and your gross misconceptions of whats going on with this war.

The first argument that must be nailed into the ground is the argument that the US is in this for oil. Anyone who says this has no idea what is going on and is just spitting out liberal propaganda because they do not have the ability to think for themselves. It has been said numerous times from many administrations that the oil of Iraq will be used for the sole purpose of rebuilding Iraq. Now of course the US will benefit financially from having someone other then Saddam sitting on all that oil but so will every other nation. Do you think the marines are out there filling up barrels of oil to take home?

Now for all you UN lovers. At least Bush had the common courtesy to bring this war to the table at the UN. It is totally in our power to just side-step the UN, as Clinton did, and launch a military action without the approval of the UN. Unfortunately Colin Powell believed that his UN allies would do exactly what allies are supposed to do. As we all know this is not how things worked out. Britain and the US got stabbed in the back by the French who said they would support military action if Saddam did not disarm and then Chirac did a 180 for no apparent reason. The only thing we have learned from this is that militarily the UN is useless.

Now let me just say that I feel as an American that a lot of people from other nations play the political game well. Being the only SuperPower in the world the US has inherit responsiblities towards other nations. Many nations look to us for help in times of trouble but will be just as quick to say that we are bullies and arrogant. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

I don't have a problem with people who are for the war or against the war. I have a problem with people who sit on the fence and spit out things that they've heard on CNN.

We all have the ability to think for ourselves so use it.
 
Old 03-20-2003, 11:58 AM   #17
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I have a problem with people who sit on the fence and spit out things that they've heard on CNN.

You must have a problem with yourself then.
 
Old 03-20-2003, 12:28 PM   #18
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That was a very intelligent rebuttal. It reminds me of a preschool argument.
 
Old 03-20-2003, 12:32 PM   #19
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You deem to have fresh memories of preschool
 
Old 03-20-2003, 02:44 PM   #20
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yeah i'll put my boring fart hat on and thank you to remember this is a site for fixing computers, not international politics and so forth. keep it happy happy joy joy please.
 
Old 03-20-2003, 02:48 PM   #21
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If you are not happy, you must not love the computer enough. That's treason. Treason is punishable by summary execution.
YOU ARE HAPPY, AREN'T YOU?

hehe
 
Old 03-20-2003, 03:00 PM   #22
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Most of the French and German attempt to stop the removal of Saddam is about oil. France and Germany have billions, yes billions of dollars in oil revenues at stake; all of it dependant upon Saddam remaining firmly in power.
 
Old 03-20-2003, 03:04 PM   #23
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The US basically created the UN. The US made sure the UN was built in the US. The US got everyone to join the UN. The US made sure it had a permanent seat on the UN. The US was a major willing funder of the UN. The US is a willing partner in the UN. The US has used the UN many time to force other nations to follow UN rules. The US has willing created UN rules for everyone to follow. The UN is basically a US institution. The UN's NUMBER ONE job is to prevent wars and stop existing wars.


Oil is a major reason, if not the only reason for us being in that region. The US has long had plans to forcefully take over countries in that region, if there ever was a stop of oil flow to the US. The major industrial countries, US included need the oil from that region and could not live without it. Other 3rd world countries don't need that much oil at this point in time.

I don't know of any liberal talk shows on TV. Liberal hosts?, don't know of any. In fact just about only one side, the White House side has been hear on any major TV show. Radio the same thing except for underground type stations. The Corporations which own and control all of these stations have successfully remove almost all other points of view.
 
Old 03-20-2003, 03:22 PM   #24
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Of course this whole war is about oil! We are in an oil crises and there is no hope of pulling out. Especially not a chance of using our oil reserves or OPEQs willingness to supply us with oil to prevent us from needing Iraqi oil. Oh yeah and fsbooks mentioned that we attacked Afghanistan for oil. It all really makes sense now. That stupid 9/11 thing must have been a jewish conspiracy after all. I hope France, Germany and Russia don't hate us for disrupting their oil holdings in Iraq...</sarcasm>
 
Old 03-20-2003, 03:55 PM   #25
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Originally posted by fsbooks
Iraq invasion plan written in September 2000 -- BEFORE Bush was "elected".

Bush's new 'global domination' policy is based almost verbatim on a policy written up by PNAC (Project for a New American Century) as found on http://www.newamericancentury.org


Want to really freak out? Run the lesser-known names on the members page through Google. You will NOT believe what you come up with.
<p>

Well...I'm not an american. But I AM a brit, thus involved by proxy, and it seems that Our Leaders have committed us to this thing.

Well, well. I did as you suggested, fsbooks, and it's well scary. But it only goes to confirm what I have suspected for a long time now: that the freakiest and most worrying thing about this war, and especially about just who is allied with whom, is that Bush and Blair have one MAJOR thing in common.

Which is? You know it already. They are both convinced, 'born again', Christians.

Think about it. This is not an attack on Christianity; nor upon any religion. (I believe firmly, for instance, that neither the RC nor the Orthodox hierarchy, who represent the majority of the world's christian believers, have anything to do with this; and nor do most straight-down-the-line protestants). But I do believe (so *IMO*, ok?) that there is definitely something sinister going on here that has nothing to do with territory, nor with terrorism (let alone 911; if that was the major trigger, they would be invading Saudi Arabia right now, not Iraq) nor with oil, but far more with what the two main leaders involved perceive as their historical destiny. A Fifth Crusade, even.

The publication of Bush's 'roadmap' for peace in the Middle East, right in the middle of this mess, is not coincidental..

IMO again of course....

And this from someone who usually pooh-poohs conspiracy theories raised on other forums

Will now shut up on this very off topic subject, hopefully the mods will grant me some grace in these historic times.

JD
 
Old 03-20-2003, 05:35 PM   #26
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So you are not all confused by the title, There are many in America who do not want war. There are protests taking place against the war. This is something only some want.

Now I am not really for the war. Consider though if we were to be back in the position to stop Hitler before he got enough strength to storm through into France. What would the world stage look like how many innocent lives would be saved? How many who perished in the Death Camps would have lived long lives. Now I have heard certain things to point towards Saddam having similar aspirations to Hitler. He wants to be in control of a part of the World, to have his Empire. Now I am getting a biased slant on his aspirations and such but it is all I have to go on. I would also like to point out to those who say we should have done this diplomatically. How long was he given to disarm? How long were the Weapons inspectors given the run around by him and his regime? If I remember correctly the time is measured in years. Don't you think he had more than enough time to comply?

Ok I Think I'm done playing Devil's Advocate for now .

My only other question is why were the French so against it? What if anything are they trying to hide?
 
Old 03-20-2003, 06:09 PM   #27
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My only other question is why were the French so against it? What if anything are they trying to hide?
The French don't really have a legitimate reason to stonewall us other then the fact that they sell weapons to Saddam.

Isn't Mandrake a French owned company?
 
Old 03-20-2003, 07:16 PM   #28
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Quote:
Quoting Jane Delawney
But I do believe (so *IMO*, ok?) that there is definitely something sinister going on here that has nothing to do with territory, nor with terrorism (let alone 911; if that was the major trigger, they would be invading Saudi Arabia right now, not Iraq) nor with oil, but far more with what the two main leaders involved perceive as their historical destiny. A Fifth Crusade, even.
Did you by any chance read
Tom Robbins "Skinny legs and all"? :}

But to come back to the topic of this thread:
I do believe that it's a multi-factorial problem.

I mean, oil is a factor, as is Bush's fanaticism,
as is the US's "John Wayne" attitude towards
the world.

I certainly think that Saddam is a bad guy, but
do believe that a solo-run of the US (GB & AU)
is a bad move in terms of justice & reason.

Looking at global conflicts in the past, there's
a few things that seem to trigger America's
wrath: Vietnam ... fear of communism.
Grenada ... heck if I know what really caused
that one :} but it was hilarious.
Middle East: certainly oil is a major issue, since
the countries in that area produce about 40%
of the worlds output, and even with US having
a nice share themselves and buying some from
the former USSR it can't be neglected.

The point that arises to me, however, is why
didn't they do anything in for instance former
Yugoslavia? It's not the "John Wayne"-thing
there ... why are they arbitrary at their acts of
intervention? :} Not that I appreciate them. ;)

Cheers,
Tink

Man ... this one must be about as incoherent
as I ever get ;)
 
Old 03-20-2003, 07:43 PM   #29
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Most of the French and German attempt to stop the removal of Saddam is about oil.
Just for the record: Belgium, France and Germany tried to stop it, why do you guys allways forget about us?
And by the way, I'm pretty proud our leaders tried to stop this whole war thing. I don't like Saddam, but Bush is out of his mind too. No matter what the outcome is, the US lost a lot of respect in Europe.
 
Old 03-20-2003, 08:13 PM   #30
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Just for the record: Belgium, France and Germany tried to stop it, why do you guys always forget about us?
And by the way, I'm pretty proud our leaders tried to stop this whole war thing. I don't like Saddam, but Bush is out of his mind too. No matter what the outcome is, the US lost a lot of respect in Europe.
I don't mean to be rude here but what exactly has Belgium ever done for the US. We're not losing sleep over you guys being against the US.

I'd like to ask why almost every person who is against this war says something to the effect of "I think Saddam is an evil man but Bush is a lunatic.". You may not like Bush's policies or demeanor but you can't put him in the same building as a tyrannical dictator like Saddam.

I don't remember Bush gassing thousands of his own citizens. Maybe you guys know more then I do.
 
  


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