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Old 12-25-2006, 08:44 PM   #1
robgig1088
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Vista to take over? How about not.


so vista is going to increase the price of a computer by like $200 right? Why dont we get the big distros to contact like dell/toshiba/etc and see if they will put ubuntu or whatever as a choice for operating systems. Talk about a way to make an OS popular. Can it be done? or is it just my wishful thinking
 
Old 12-25-2006, 09:04 PM   #2
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It would be nice, but right now it is mostly wishful thinking. Dell/Toshiba and others usually have a contract with Microsoft, and so each of their systems that they sale, are already automatically preloaded with Windows. It is almost impossible to find a computer that is not preloaded with anything these days, unless you buy parts and build it yourself. Who cares though. Just format the HD anyways, and load whatever you want.. Nothing is stopping you from doing that.
 
Old 12-25-2006, 09:05 PM   #3
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The real problem is in the way Microsoft works. You have this huge player in the OS market who knows there are people who in fact need there product, not to mention those who want it like gamers. Microsoft has every right to license who they want to sell there products. You used to be able to walk into walmart and buy a boxed set of Mandrake (Mandriva) but this has stopped and why you may ask? Because of the fact that MS can strongarm retailers into not selling other offerings or else they yank the right to sell MS products.

So yes your idea would be possible maybe now to offer Suse as an alternative, but really what is better? These big corps would have to lose mass consumers in order to offer another OS. I don't think the likes of Dell for example want to lose the windows base consumers. Of course they get away with selling *nix based operating systems for the server market but this is not Microsofts bread and butter.

my .2 cents for what its worth.

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Old 12-25-2006, 09:06 PM   #4
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haha yeah but id rather not support Microsoft and pay an extra $400 for useless software (at least for me its useless..). The main goal of Linux is to support and spread open-source. People are busting their tails to make it acceptable on desktops and personally, I think Ubuntu is almost, if not totally ready for the average user (with a getting started guide of course).
 
Old 12-25-2006, 09:20 PM   #5
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haha yeah but id rather not support Microsoft and pay an extra $400 for useless software (at least for me its useless..). The main goal of Linux is to support and spread open-source. People are busting their tails to make it acceptable on desktops and personally, I think Ubuntu is almost, if not totally ready for the average user (with a getting started guide of course).

Did you know that when you buy a Pc you don't have to agree to the EULA and can decline and call the maker of your system for a refund on windows? Just wondered if you knew!
 
Old 12-25-2006, 09:28 PM   #6
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ahh thanks corbintechboy didnt know that. (will definitely do when i buy my lappy). I dont know.. it just seems like an opportune entry point into the market if you ask me. Perhaps Linux isnt mature enough yet.
 
Old 12-25-2006, 10:42 PM   #7
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we can only see hopes from the smaller local shops ... forget about those proper bigger and ridiculously "legitimate"(just a word they are trying to sell actually) ones ...

will most properly be seeing some very common-sensical "un-profitable" price-warring with bigger shops(packaged with windows system or not) ...

go for something the people always missed(its just that people are themselves not too sure about anything at all hence they stop "thinking" for the sake of conveniency) ...

give away services that bigger shops cant provide , but admittedly it can be very hard and time-consuming ... may need to do a lot of customizations yourself ...

dont worry , caculate and get serious too much , let things grow invisibly and un-planned ...

btw , i'm burning a couple of ubuntu and centos ... probably will also photo-copied or give away some books too ... they also need(they did ask for that) good and sturdy printers(preferably laser) and scanners too ...



//but i'm not sure about their future(this is the hardest) ... anyway ...


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Old 12-25-2006, 11:15 PM   #8
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Dell, HP, and most of the other large vendors actually do sell Linux preinstalled (look at Dell's PowerEdge line for example, you'll see that Red Hat and SuSE Linux are a preinstall options there as is buying the system with no OS), but only on server systems where Linux actually is a significant portion of the market. That and the fact that Microsoft has in the past threatened to bump their OEM pricing for Windows through the roof if they ever try to sell Linux on the desktop. You see, although the retail price of Windows is several hundred dollars, the big OEMs get it signficantly cheaper (I've heard anywhere from $20 - $50 per copy). However, their price is dependent on the deal that Microsoft offers them. Microsoft can refuse to cut any discount for Windows for OEMs that sell Linux desktop systems which will cause that OEM's systems to wind up being more expensive and thus less competitive.

Also, as alred suggests you can always buy from a small local whitebox shop. You will probably get more customization and better support anyhow. Or you can build your own system if you enjoy tinkering with hardware.
 
Old 12-26-2006, 12:12 AM   #9
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Buy your own components and assemble (or get it assembled for a price) if you don't want Microsoft to get your money (via the OEM vendor).

With pre-built, branded computers you still pay more for getting a computer of the same specs than if it was manually assembled. Besides you get to choose the individual parts carefully and can make sure it's 100% Linux ready anyway (by doing a bit of research).
 
Old 12-26-2006, 12:41 AM   #10
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what about laptops? That was mainly what I had in mind when I was writing this (sorry I didnt specify). Are ther any reputable sites that include linux as a pre-install? I dont know of any =\
 
Old 12-26-2006, 12:55 AM   #11
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"Why Windows Rules" December 22 Economist Magazine

The December 22nd issue of the Economist magazine has an interesting article looking at the Windows-Linux debate. The author lists the number of lines of code for Vista, XP, and Debian, he says there are 213 MILLION lines in Debian. I would be interested in hearing some opinions on this.
 
Old 12-26-2006, 01:49 AM   #12
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For laptops, try EmperorLinux. They resell major brands (Dell, HP, Sony, etc.) with Linux preinstalled or as a dual boot. Unfortunately my experience is that this service is somewhat expensive. There are other companies that do similar things.
 
Old 12-26-2006, 09:50 AM   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by corbintechboy
Did you know that when you buy a Pc you don't have to agree to the EULA and can decline and call the maker of your system for a refund on windows? Just wondered if you knew!
I have seen a few reports of people attempting this. It was no obvious that it is easy to do or if one succeeds very often. Curious to see more facts, actual stories, etc.
 
Old 12-26-2006, 10:12 AM   #14
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And A Bit More

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Originally Posted by Jeebizz
Dell/Toshiba and others usually have a contract with Microsoft, and so each of their systems that they sale, are already automatically preloaded with Windows.
Actually, it's a bit more invidious than that. It is possible to buy machines with either an alternate OS or none at all, but Microsoft still gets its cut.
 
Old 12-26-2006, 10:48 AM   #15
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>> "talk about a way to make an OS popular. Can it be done? or is it just my wishful thinking ..."

one more thing ... think smaller , dont think big for that is of no hopes but it does no harm if we think very small ... either way(smaller or very small) , these sort of things cant be stopped and everyone within each locality benefits from that to our own(as an acumulated whole) self-interests ... even if we(as individuals) know how to assemble things ourselves , we are still part of immediate surrouding "parameters" of the local shops ...


//be a learned but polite and refine consumer(at times could be somewhat forcefull though) next time , could helps in driving the neccessary demands for good things of all sorts ...


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