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Old 06-30-2013, 03:56 PM   #1
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US bugged EU offices


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...spying-report/

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/29/nsa_...ean_countries/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...U-offices.html

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...06-30-11-02-16

http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics...ca8_print.html
 
Old 07-01-2013, 02:34 AM   #2
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worse and worse
 
Old 07-01-2013, 03:05 AM   #3
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Do I comment? Yeah why not.

I suspect every country will do whatever it can to spy on others, allies or not. I doubt the US is alone in this.

This is just an opinion so don't bother asking for evidence.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 04:28 AM   #4
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Not too important as they are Allies. If it were spying on Axis members like China and Russia it would have been a much bigger deal.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 06:54 AM   #5
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It's rather a remarkable example of the "assumption of United States Exceptionalism" ... or naiveté, as the case may be ... to hear this notion "simply being bantered about."

"We're eavesdropping on every single one of your telephone conversations and e-mails ... and ours, too. So what? We're the USA!"

In the real planet, that just doesn't fly. And the military industrialists are about to find that out first-hand.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 07:16 AM   #6
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Here's some more info:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/07/...uropean-allies
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...uropean-allies
 
Old 07-01-2013, 09:48 AM   #8
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Do I comment? Yeah why not.

I suspect every country will do whatever it can to spy on others, allies or not. I doubt the US is alone in this.

This is just an opinion so don't bother asking for evidence.
Are you serious?
Spying on allies is simply not done.

Obama will have a hard time explaining this, ... most EU countries do care.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 10:54 AM   #9
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I find it ironic that the US, a country which mercilessly pursues and persecutes anyone, irrespective of their country of residence/nationality, who dares to hack into government/defence networks, feels that it has a free license to spy on it's supposed allies.

I find it ironic, but it doesn't surprise me at all.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 11:29 AM   #10
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I find it ironic that the US, a country which mercilessly pursues and persecutes anyone, irrespective of their country of residence/nationality, who dares to hack into government/defence networks, feels that it has a free license to spy on it's supposed allies.
I find it suspicious that "a country which mercilessly pursues and persecutes anyone, irrespective of their country of residence/nationality" doesn't just send an agent to Moscow after Sowden.

It isn't so suspicious considering that he may still be on a secret mission, and maybe we are watching his mission evolve.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 05:20 PM   #11
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Are you serious?
Spying on allies is simply not done.
So it's good enough for France but not for anyone else is that right?

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Obama will have a hard time explaining this, ... most EU countries do care.
It is a bit hypocritical for some of them to be complaining. Many think spying is unacceptable, full stop, but it happens and suggesting the US is the only country in the world to spy on its allies, friends, trading partners, whatever anyone wants to call them denies that countries like France have a long history of it.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 08:01 PM   #12
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I doubt they were spying on Germany to find out how to make VW's and Schnitzel.
 
Old 07-01-2013, 08:49 PM   #13
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It's unanimous NOBODY TRUST ANYONE ANYMORE!
 
Old 07-02-2013, 11:26 AM   #14
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So it's good enough for France but not for anyone else is that right?
Yes.

I guess this is what most non-europeans don't understand about our union.
Every member is still (more or less) a sovereign country with it's own laws.

EU is supposed to be neutral ground.
 
Old 07-02-2013, 11:38 AM   #15
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Nations have always spied on one another, largely regardless of alliances, and they always will. Naturally, when they get caught, the "victims" will get on their high horses. As has been pointed out, France has spied on everyone and carried out black ops too (remember the destruction of the Rainbow Warrior?)

The only difference is that when the USA spies, its own citizens kick up more fuss than those spied on! A sanctimonious bunch, and boring with it.
 
  


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