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Old 12-06-2011, 03:16 PM   #1
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Upload your brain!


Something for you all to experiment with:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...to-a-computer/

I've got mine on an old floppy, with room to spare.
 
Old 12-06-2011, 03:31 PM   #2
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brianL, you just posted this to get my attention, right?

Problems relating to computational power aside, the main problem with this is that "you" (as in the biological "you") would still die, even if your silicon-based "copy" lived on, because "you" are still bound to your biological body (unless you buy into dualist "soul" bullsh*t ). Your "ego" wouldn't be "transferred" to the machine; it would just create a "second ego".

Put more simply, it would be more like having an immortal brother/sister, rather than becoming immortal oneself.

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Old 12-06-2011, 03:41 PM   #3
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brianL, you just posted this to get my attention, right?
Mmm, now you come to mention it...
But would it be able to tell that it wasn't the "real" me? Would it think: "I'm Brian...but I feel strange these days."?
 
Old 12-06-2011, 03:48 PM   #4
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would it be able to tell that it wasn't the "real" me? Would it think: "I'm Brian...but I feel strange these days."?
From its perspective, no, it probably wouldn't be able to tell that it's not the "real" you, but that doesn't mean it's not a separate "entity".

Think of it like having two computers of the exact same hardware configuration, running the exact same OS and programs, executing the exact same instructions clock cycle for clock cycle. From each machine's "perspective", they are the same, but that doesn't mean they aren't physically separate entities.
 
Old 12-06-2011, 03:57 PM   #5
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I agree it's a separate entity, but it's got all my memories, such as all the experiences that have gone into forming my personality. The only thing it hasn't got is the body that had those experiences, and that will probably drive it crazy (crazier than the biological original).
 
Old 12-06-2011, 03:58 PM   #6
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Like all new technology, the peons dream of partaking ...
The rich line up first ...

And the porn industry are the most aggressive innovators - now there's food for thought ....
 
Old 12-06-2011, 04:04 PM   #7
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The "silicon" me certainly wouldn't be able to react to watching porn like the flesh-and-blood me (not that I ever watch porn, of course ).
 
Old 12-06-2011, 04:08 PM   #8
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The "silicon" me certainly wouldn't be able to react to watching porn like the flesh-and-blood me
…you sure about that? Theoretically, a body could be simulated, too, given enough computing power.

LOL

(See, I'm not always all "doom and gloom" when talking about emerging technology/cutting-edge science…)

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Old 12-06-2011, 04:09 PM   #9
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Yeah, probably a lot better than the one I've got now.
I've had this one 66 years, and I think it's beginning to wear out.

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Old 12-06-2011, 11:43 PM   #10
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Problems relating to computational power aside, the main problem with this is that "you" (as in the biological "you") would still die, even if your silicon-based "copy" lived on, because "you" are still bound to your biological body (unless you buy into dualist "soul" bullsh*t ). Your "ego" wouldn't be "transferred" to the machine; it would just create a "second ego".
That's not that easy. If a person does not have immaterial component, then this copy will also be you. Another you.
It comes down to the old "what is human?" question, which does not have definite answer.
 
Old 12-07-2011, 11:17 AM   #11
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brianL, you just posted this to get my attention, right?

Problems relating to computational power aside, the main problem with this is that "you" (as in the biological "you") would still die, even if your silicon-based "copy" lived on, because "you" are still bound to your biological body (unless you buy into dualist "soul" bullsh*t ). Your "ego" wouldn't be "transferred" to the machine; it would just create a "second ego".

Put more simply, it would be more like having an immortal brother/sister, rather than becoming immortal oneself.
Yes, that's all true. Now, "immortal" is a relative term. I mean, you're immortal, unless I decide to take a sledgehammer to the HDD your "immortal" copy is being stored on ...
 
Old 12-07-2011, 12:20 PM   #12
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i'm reading Ray Kurzweil's "The Singularity is Near" .....totally awesome and realistic stuff !!

btw , mind uploading is just one option of many portrayed by Ray and Co , other options such as bio-engineering and nanobots infused into the body are even "easier" to achieve and philosophically more intuitive !
 
Old 12-07-2011, 12:33 PM   #13
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I agree it's a separate entity, but it's got all my memories, such as all the experiences that have gone into forming my personality. The only thing it hasn't got is the body that had those experiences, and that will probably drive it crazy (crazier than the biological original).
You might be right about that. It wouldn't even have eyes to see. Imagine just your mind existing without any body. I'm not sure what would happen, but it could go mad, take over all computer systems, and destroy the world.
 
Old 12-07-2011, 02:30 PM   #14
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brianL as Skynet. Wow, that is frightening.
 
Old 12-07-2011, 02:58 PM   #15
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Would the uploaded brain be able to dream or imagine ? Or maybe it just will be a clone of the logic part of the brain, and will have similar reasoning as the original (cognitive and neural processes)

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