You sound like you don't have your opinion since yesterday, so I assumed that you already knew that "Windows sucks". Why should it be different with Windows 7?

What I find funny is complaining with lack of information. Why did you buy Windows in the first place? Why not buy a laptop without OS and try Windows 7 with the free trial version?
You actually did not get ripped of, you donated your money because of lack of information.
Or in your car analogy: If you buy a new car, wouldn't you read the break-down statistics before buying? Wouldn't you make a test-drive to see if you really like your new car?

You seem to have missed the point. I am not attempting to characterize anything about Windows. I am not feigning my interest. The point of this thread is not to discuss Windows at all.

I am interested in the origin of the meme. I want to know when it started, who said it first and why. I want to know how it spread and in what circles. I want to know if my college professor was just full of crap. I can't learn anything if this thread becomes polluted with bias.

Please no more posts like this

You may be sorry, but you are also dead wrong my friend. Fixing bugs is just a matter of resources. Are you telling me that Microsoft doesn't have the capital to higher enough programmers to fix all their bugs? Especially the ones that have been around for 10-15 years? I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about. Microsoft netted over 18 BILLION in PROFIT last year. You don't think that will hire enough programmers if not the best architects money can buy and give us A-1 quality software? 18 billion / 100K = 180,000 developers. Hehe, man, I don't know what to say if you can't see there is room for massive improvement.

BTW, I wanted to comment on the "don't bash windows" comment by someone. Guess what? Microsoft and Windows aren't people. They will not get their feelings hurt. It's OK to bash inanimate abstract objects... I promise ;o)

Please no more posts like this. Please don't drag the thread off topic. You are welcome to start your own thread about an OS for nuclear power plants, or whatever you like.

Thanks for participating.

Well, since you want to pick my decision making process apart, the reason why I bought Windows 7 is because I had gotten used to Widnows 7 and assumed that the Windodws OS had improved over time. So, I guess I gave Windows 7 the benefit of the doubt. So, that was my mistake. Are you happy now? Are you rolling on the floor laughing at my bad decision? Why must you make this a personal attack instead of remaining on the issue that is the lack of quality of the Windows OS? Focusing on my mistake is not the point of this thread. Instead of addressing my points, you are bashing me. Please mind the forum rules.

Yeah, and one crappy driver will bring down the whole OS. Besides that, according to Wikipedia the Windows Server 2003 contains approximately 50 million lines of code, that is a gigantic mass. And fixing bugs will some times bring up new bugs in the code. In Windows this is just the basic operation system. Debian 5.0, with all of its 29.000 packages, brings up 324 million lines of code, so the basic operation system should be a good amount smaller than the Windows basic operating system. No software in this magnitude and complexity can be absolutely flawless. And you really think, developing the next version of an OS is just bringing down the bugs? No research? No ideas that get abandoned? No design team? Every change in the new version is a potential bug, and not all bugs can be tracked down with simple manpower.

You are right, bashing Microsoft will not hurt Microsoft. There are just two things why I think bashing Microsoft is somewhat harmful:
1. The OP wanted a clean discussion about his topic.
2. The bashers look to everyone else to zealots and mindless fanboys.

Now let's get back on topic.

Hey Telengard. You are out of line. If someone is going to attack me personally instead of my arguments, then I will respond to defend myself. You need to make your comment to Tobi. Leave the moderating to the moderators.

If you think that I a personally attacking you feel free to report the specific post to a moderator.

But anyways, you are contradicting yourself: In my opinion it is rather pointless to discuss with you any further topic. Welcome to my ignore list.

Exactly. :hattip:

You are free to defend yourself against Tobi by PM or in your own thread. Please don't bring the flame war here.

Right.

Nooooo, I never said all of that! Yes, work on design, do more research! Of course, all of the above! There is so much room for improvement! I CAN be done! Stop giving them excuses! $18,000,000,000 <- look at all of those zeros! I just don't get the feeling Microsoft is even trying to improve. Why can't they take us to a whole new level of OS? A revolution! They have to power and the resources. Think positive man!

Ok, I don't think the opinion that Unix is a better OS is due to a meme. And, a meme by definition is irrational, so that is what the OP is implying. So, that's why I think his premise is unfair to begin with.

Telengard, I'm afraid you set yourself up for this. You characterized the opinion of those who prefer Unix over Windows as suffering from a meme. A meme is completely irrational. Do you think readers aren't going to know what you were clearly implying??? You decided to do your own attack under the guise of being intellectual. Nice try. Sorry, but you've been called on it. I hold my views based on experience, not because I'm suffering from a mind virus (which is what a meme is in case you didn't know.)

"A meme is an idea that behaves like a virus--that moves through a population, taking hold in each person it infects."

I have use Windows 98 up to 2005. Then jumped straight to the deep water - Gentoo Linux

My experience is

In Windows :

I remember working with Windows 98, Netscape, MS office, NO antivirus or firewall, and i cant say i was dissatsfied with it. I left it just because i found out about Linux and decided to try, then didnt want to go back

I am the tech support for several Windows boxes : family, friends, others (paid), even helped the school tech guy several times

I do eventual format / install / help me / data recovery, and when i woked with the tech i also configured some networking (basic stuff)

With that said I never installed or dealt (other than surfed the internet) with Vista or 7

In Linux :

I use it every day since 2005 on desktop (Gentoo 2005-2007 Arch 2007-now)

Now on several desktops, been thru great times (ehen KDE 4 came out), bad times (when my computer woul'dnt support KDE 4 or when glibc guys decided to drop support for my router), and had experience with Linux on desktop



I would not call Windows a toy, but there is stuff i just love about linux which is not there in Windows :

Linux gives you powerful tools : package manager, powerful CLI tools, STDOUT error messages. . . . even stuff that you can install in Windows but it just makes you love Linux (or KDE) when it is allready there : text editor with highlighting, hex editor, and so on. When I run into a problem on Linux i am capable of solving it with the tools that came with the system. When I run into a problem on Windows and cant find a solution within 5 min google i just format it, cause i have no tools or clue what the problem is or how to solve it

Linux is modular : want different desktop ? get one or all together. want super duper kernel ? compile one. X makes troubles ? download earlier version and install it

Linux is mobile : install to your hard drive - move it to another computer - copy the installed OS to a usb flash - use this flash as live medium - install it on another computer - use it to recover data on a failed Windows computer - get online on a different computer than it was ever before andupdate it - copy the contents to a blank computer to get working desktop in 5 minutes - continue your pokemon journey

Linux won't stop you : it won't test if it's pirated then cease working in the least convenient moment, it won't have DRM built in, it is (legally) ok to do all the "mobile" stuff with it

And besides, Linux IS a "hacker operating system" and IS a "open source cult" thing. You see the difference in Linux forums vs Windows forums, and i am speaking about the general mass here and not about the fanboys. Sometimes the actual software developer is writing in the same forum as you

When you use Linux and the above attributes of Linux become the standard you expect from a computer, it is tempting to call a "toy" a system that does not satisfy them

When my dad was an HPUX admin in the late 80's, it was a commonly held belief that Windows was written in crayon.

I say this to people mainly because I only keep Windows for playing games on - everything else I can do with Linux. And even there Linux is catching up. There are a few major titles that I enjoy playing that the producers see fit to only release under windows so I'm stuck with that annoying Windows partition.

So for me Windows is literally just a glorified games platform now.

Nice one! Whole room just LOL'd