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Old 10-07-2009, 12:34 PM   #1
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This is where yo flame me for supporting MS.


I love the linux, I really do. But as a linux fanboi, reality checks must be made periodically. Heres a list of some:

The wintel machine is what made PC's affordable, like it or not.

It's "illegal" to use a lot of the "good stuff" for linux as MS owns it.

The average person is resistant to change, which is why they don't use linux.

The average person also has an I.Q. of 100. This is not a slam, flame, attempt to troll, or anything of the sort. Simply pointing out that MS's target ausdience is going to be roughly IQ 90-110. Ask yourself, do we really want to compete with that?

As of right now, windows is still more compatible out of the box. I understand that linux can be made very compatible, but "out of the box" is what drives the average consumer.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 12:43 PM   #2
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If you're going to start a thread by saying it's not a flame, but you expect to get abused anyway, why bother??
 
Old 10-07-2009, 12:46 PM   #3
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It's "illegal" to use a lot of the "good stuff" for linux as MS owns it.
Please explain.

Which parts of Linux are "owned by Microsoft"?
 
Old 10-07-2009, 12:48 PM   #4
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IQ 90-110. Ask yourself, do we really want to compete with that?
The fact that someone is not interested in tinkering with an operating system, or is generally not interested in computers at all does not mean that they are not intelligent... You don't possibly claim that all those highly intelligent mathematicians, physicians, philosophers, writers, etc. using Windows are dumb, do you? They have got more important things to worry about.

You're probably talking about something that could broadly be referred to as computer literacy/awareness/competency which would probably be higher when it comes to an average linux user (as opposed to an average Windows user). It has little to do with their intelligence, though.

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Old 10-07-2009, 12:50 PM   #5
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It's "illegal" to use a lot of the "good stuff" for linux as MS owns it.
AFAIK, that's FUD.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 01:02 PM   #6
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What have we here?

A troll? If so, seems to have succeeded.

An MS agent? Probably not, based on posting history.

Someone who actually believes the points being made? That's his/her privilege.


...pokernut;
I'm afraid I've missed the point. Where I have the choice, I've used Linux exclusively for many years now. Whatever merit there is to your points, none of it has stopped me.

If you want to use Windows, go for it!
 
Old 10-07-2009, 01:58 PM   #7
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You know… You can use Linux and enjoy it without being a so called “fanboi” as you believe it as.

Please tell us what this “good stuff” is that you’re referring to that’s illegal… I’d like to know. I have so many software on my computer its difficult to count, yet each are perfectly legal and are wonderful software. I have everything I need. I have wonderful graphics software, including video software. I have wonderful sound software and amazing customizable effects on my desktop, something I had to hack windows to get something that was bloated, laggy and ended up corrupting my whole system so I couldn’t update the next service pack. I have many games that I enjoy, including World of Warcraft that I play with wine “Out of the Box” as you say. And I have all the programming software I will ever need! Anything I can do on Windows I can do on Linux without any problems, and I can do so much more on Linux than Windows with far less effort.

I tend to look at people as an individual, not a number. I work with people and help them with Linux if they need or if they don’t. I don’t really mind if they don’t use Linux, in fact I can usually fix a Windows computer so much better than most Windows Certified IT people out there. That’s because I’ve spent just as much, if not more time tinkering with Windows when it broke or trying to do simple or complicated tasks. Different doesn’t mean not as good. If you spell it out for people, they can use Linux just as easily as they can use Windows.

Compatible out of the box? You mean the version of windows you got when you got the computer? That was specially designed for that computer? I will tell you this. If you do not have another computer or a Live CD, I doubt you would ever be able to install a Windows machine with all the drivers installed. You will have to go to someone else’s house to download the drivers or call support, because most likely your internet is not going to work due to lack of network drivers. You run a Linux distro and guess what? It all works! Ubuntu even installs any extra drivers from the internet for you if they were unable to include it in the default installation because of legal issues. With Arch things worked perfectly (Arch needs to be set up from nearly nothing, but the network worked out of the box, including wireless). You must mean outside devices support. Windows needs 3rd party programs you get online to run those as well, so that’s a mute point as well.

-Jessica-
 
Old 10-07-2009, 02:15 PM   #8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Disillusionist

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Originally Posted by linuxpokernut View Post
It's "illegal" to use a lot of the "good stuff" for linux as MS owns it.
Please explain.

Which parts of Linux are "owned by Microsoft"?
Yes, by all means OP explain THAT one. Also, I thought SCO 'owned' it, not Microsoft.

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As of right now, windows is still more compatible out of the box.
This whole 'compatible out of the box' is such nonsense. When you buy a PC loaded with Windows, thats the 'compatible out of the box' right there *BECAUSE* you are not taking into account behind the scenes of setting up Windows. It doesn't matter if Windows supports 'said' hardware. It just means that there are Windows drivers for it.

*YOU* still have to install those drivers after Windows is setup, other wise (insert_hardware_here) will not work or work correctly, but when you buy a computer from (insert_electronics_retail_here), all the work is done for you, same goes for notebooks that are preloaded with Windows. Windows is installed, then drivers for that hardware are applied to make things work. THATS what 'compatible out of the box' is. The work is done for you.

This isn't a flame, but more of a question to the OP. How in Offler's name did you come to these conclusions? Where you hit by a donkey cart or something? (And did you at least get it's number?)

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Old 10-07-2009, 02:48 PM   #9
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The average person also has an I.Q. of 100. This is not a slam, flame, attempt to troll, or anything of the sort. Simply pointing out that MS's target ausdience is going to be roughly IQ 90-110. Ask yourself, do we really want to compete with that?
Maybe one day you'll find out that the IQ test means nothing. It doesn't make you special in any way, other than bragging rights, or your ability to pass this particular test. The real test is the test of life ... more like nethack ...

(you know I've said many times that if I ever become a teacher, any student that can prove to me that they can beat a fair game of nethack (or equivalent rogue-like) in class with me as a witness will get a straight A, even if I get fired)

Anyway I won't bother flaming you, cuz I know you're probably just kidding. M$ stole everything it ever invented, and then patented it. The evil empire will fall one day.
 
Old 10-07-2009, 05:47 PM   #10
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Maybe one day you'll find out that the IQ test means nothing. It doesn't make you special in any way, other than bragging rights, or your ability to pass this particular test. The real test is the test of life ... more like nethack ...

(you know I've said many times that if I ever become a teacher, any student that can prove to me that they can beat a fair game of nethack (or equivalent rogue-like) in class with me as a witness will get a straight A, even if I get fired)

Anyway I won't bother flaming you, cuz I know you're probably just kidding. M$ stole everything it ever invented, and then patented it. The evil empire will fall one day.
Can't agree with you more. Those M*F****'s have killed and destroyed everything they can't control, but like every evil empire that have existed before there's only one way when they rise, and it's the hard and rocky way DOWN TO HELL.
 
Old 10-08-2009, 03:18 AM   #11
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Christ, this is so tiring, why do people keep rising to the bait every single time? It doesn't make you look intelligent, there is no battle to win, you're just falling for it, and then preaching to the converted, which is equally pointless.
 
Old 10-08-2009, 03:36 AM   #12
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I think all the world's problems can be solved by posting on the internet. Call it faith, if you will.

I don't think this issue has been beaten even remotely close to death. If anything we need MORE Linux vs. Windows threads. Thousands of them. And we can all post to them everyday.
 
Old 10-08-2009, 05:22 AM   #13
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It's certainly more compatible with viruses, lol.

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Old 10-08-2009, 08:00 AM   #14
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I think all the world's problems can be solved by posting on the internet. Call it faith, if you will.

I don't think this issue has been beaten even remotely close to death. If anything we need MORE Linux vs. Windows threads. Thousands of them. And we can all post to them everyday.
Thinking about your other recent thread (changing jobs), I think you really DO need to make a change. One more post like the one above, and we'll be sending the crew to have you fitted for a rubber room.....

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Old 10-08-2009, 08:36 AM   #15
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I think all the world's problems can be solved by posting on the internet. Call it faith, if you will.

I don't think this issue has been beaten even remotely close to death. If anything we need MORE Linux vs. Windows threads. Thousands of them. And we can all post to them everyday.
The more the merrier! When we talk about "evil empire" we have to include Google and Apple in the mix. Apple only allows approved software on their OS, it must go through their testing; i.e. look at Java and try to install it from Sun's website; but they don't try to change the world through command and control (just subtle brainwashing so you don't notice). Google is taking over the web, slowing putting their brand on all thing web related, but at least they still innovate and support OSS.

Microsoft wants to control the desktop by any means neccessary. Buy, steal, sue! FUD is used without question.

2 cents.
 
  


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