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Old 12-08-2010, 02:01 AM   #1
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The Senate is attempting to sneak through the infamous Internet kill switch


http://www.prisonplanet.com/senate-t...itch-bill.html

I have been saying the US is moving towards being a police state this confirms it
NOW is the time to get political
 
Old 12-08-2010, 02:21 AM   #2
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Communism.
 
Old 12-08-2010, 02:33 AM   #3
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Significant part of the internet root servers are located in the us, and those who aren't are mostly operated by us companies subject to us law. Technically the us govs are actually in quite good position to do that

I think its the time to localised mirroring and dns'ing of data, so that internet access in specific location is not going to be interrupted because of tampering with a centralised node. For example, distributed dns and caches on end user's computers, usable on p2p basis, and linked over p2p wifi
 
Old 12-08-2010, 02:37 AM   #4
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Significant part of the internet root servers are located in the us, and those who aren't are mostly operated by us companies subject to us law. Technically the us govs are actually in quite good position to do that

I think its the time to localised mirroring and dns'ing of data, so that internet access in specific location is not going to be interrupted because of tampering with a centralised node. For example, distributed dns and caches on end user's computers, usable on p2p basis, and linked over p2p wifi
Shouldn't it sill be accessible from IP?
 
Old 12-08-2010, 02:57 AM   #5
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Well, they probably will pass it, maybe with the help of Assange.

I think that you should be prepared for "events" and massive censorship of the internet to possible cover up details of the events. Have some things stocked up, some plans, etc.

However, I recommend that you do NOT read infowars or prisonplanet on a daily basis. Note that these sites have been setup (probably by the gubmint) to spread paranoia and anger to all those who read it. If you don't believe me, tell me what feeling do you get when reading articles from these sites ? Isn't it always fear, hatred, anger, paranoia ? They are scare mongers, and often don't provide accurate info. At least, if you see something on there, double check with other sources. Also notice that infowars seems to be a rather extensive network, and similar articles will appear in many other places.
 
Old 12-08-2010, 03:05 AM   #6
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I doubt they have enough audience to be significant from the gov's point of view

Though with tor and such the only way to censor is to shut down alltogether or somehow filter out all encrypted content - which means no access to like any https website. I doubt that's gonna happen
 
Old 12-08-2010, 03:34 AM   #7
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If they just shut down the DNS servers, we can all keep a local list of IPs and still go to the sites we usually go to right ?

Somehow I don't think they are this stupid, they want to take out the internet (partly or completely) without people still being able to access it by knowing IPs. They will probably do it at the ISP level, where they will just block access to those IPs ... I think like they do in China. You can still technically use a proxy to go around this tho, unless they also ban the proxys.

I admit, it's not an easy task to take down the internet, but if there's anyone who can do it, it's the US gubmint. Who else would be crazy enough to try.
 
Old 12-12-2010, 10:13 AM   #8
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I never understood this 'shut down' thing:

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Liebermanís version of the cybersecurity bill includes language that would hand President Obama the power to shut down parts of the world wide web for at least four months with no congressional oversight in the event of a cyber attack on critical infrastructure systems in the U.S.
Isn't that the very thing an 'attack' does, shutdown the Internet? If the 'Chosen One' closes down the 'Net, isn't he doing the attacker's work, at least in part? As long as it stays up, it's win, right? Anyway, kinda like shutting down the ocean, but let them try what's certain to be the most popular presidential move in US history.

Also, this only names the WWW. We can still ssh, ftp, vpn, etc. to our heart's content. The US gov is actually foolish enough to think that removing a few DNS listings or shutting a few WWW sites equals the Internet at large. Most linux distros have bind installed anyway. Run wifi repeaters. Dig up the old telephone cable and run it out the window if you have to. I knew I kept pppd and older tech around for a reason. Windows users might be out of luck and out of 'Net though. Hmmm, maybe not all bad?

BTW, Lieberman should be hung for treason.
 
Old 12-12-2010, 11:33 AM   #9
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By "shut down parts of the world wide web" do they mean "shut down us sites and censor content on us servers", "put an internet glass dome over the us's network", or any anything that can also affect a non-us user surfing to non-us sites via non-us isp ?
 
Old 12-12-2010, 11:56 AM   #10
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Liebermann and many others should be water-boarde first of all -I don't believe what they are saying, but surely we can get the truth out of them with afew (hundred) water-boardings, right? Please get your nominations in early for any other candidates for this treatment...
 
Old 12-12-2010, 12:05 PM   #11
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I'd like to remind everyone this is the US Government we're talking about. The same people who don't seem to be able to control secret documents. The same people who routinely spend billions of dollars on IT infrastructure only to have it fail miserably. The same people who are currently suggesting that they adopt a "cloud first" IT infrastructure (because apparently not having it on the cloud made it too difficult for stuff to leak out). The same people who put the TSA in charge of "security".

The US Government is one of the most incompetent organizations on the planet, and even if this bill does become law, the chance of them actually being able to implement it are close to zero.
 
Old 12-12-2010, 12:47 PM   #12
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Well if it ever does get implemented, I would like for Mrs. Clinton, or any future Sec. Of State, or any politician afterwards to kindly stop criticising the PRC and their censoring of the internet there, since they now essentially would have the same power as the PRC. As soon as they have that power, they no longer can criticise China or any other country for doing the same.

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Correction, it was Obama actually who tried to 'lecture' the Chinese on a 'free internet' when he went there a year ago or so. Either way, the US can no longer argue the case for a free internet now and should stop pointing fingers at others.

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Old 12-12-2010, 01:03 PM   #13
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Well if it ever does get implemented, I would like for Mrs. Clinton, or any future Sec. Of State, or any politician afterwards to kindly stop criticising the PRC and their censoring of the internet there, since they now essentially would have the same power as the PRC. As soon as they have that power, they no longer can criticise China or any other country for doing the same.

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Correction, it was Obama actually who tried to 'lecture' the Chinese on a 'free internet' when he went there a year ago or so. Either way, the US can no longer argue the case for a free internet now and should stop pointing fingers at others.
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Old 12-12-2010, 01:54 PM   #14
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Are they not closing the doors when the horses have run out? This entire thing looks stupid. Someone would always be able to mess around the security. These are just people with limited knowledge (but the backing of the law) and I always believe in the creativity of a man who sits down and _decides_ to resolve the problem. No government is capable of stopping a guy like that.
 
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Well technically they can, by locking him up but the catch is there is always someone brave enough to take his place
 
  


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