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Old 03-15-2004, 11:32 PM   #1
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The Scientific Miracles


Iím not a religious but astonished to know that Quran contains unbelievable scientific facts discovered just in the last century.

This is really amazing.

∑ Astronomy!
∑ Mountains!
∑ Human Embryology!
∑ Oceans And Seas!
∑ The Movement Of Clouds!
∑ The Cerebrum!
∑ The Shape Of The Earth!
∑ The Expansion Of The Universe!
∑ The Sensory Characteristic Of The Skin!
∑ Formation Of Iron!
∑ The Lowest Part On The Face Of The Earth!
∑ The Sequence Of Day And Night!
∑ The Snow Age!
∑ New Diseases!
∑ Cnn Top Ten Discoveries Of 1998

You can find more info of the Scientists Declaration on the following sites:
http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/..._All/Index.htm

http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm
http://www.science4islam.com/
http://islamicity.com/science/
http://www.islamland.org/articles1/a006.htm

###############################################

http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/..._All/Index.htm

Scientists Declaration
_
∑______ Keith L.Moore
∑______ E. Marshall Johnson
∑______ T.V.N. Persaud
∑______ Joe Leigh Simpson
∑______ Gerald C. Goeringer
∑______ Alfred Kroner
∑______ Yushidi Kusan
∑______ Professor Armstrong
∑______ William Hay
∑______ Durja Rao
∑______ Professor Siaveda
∑______ Tejatat Tejasen
∑______ Dr. Maurice Bucaille

The Origins of Algebra
http://vmoc.museophile.com/algebra/section3_1.html
 
Old 03-15-2004, 11:43 PM   #2
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Give me a break....

Don't you think that's going a bit overboard? Yes, it is true the Arabs have made great contributions to the fields of mathematics and other subjects, but "Top ten stories of CNN in the Koran" is just an attention getter. There are people trying to relate history to their religious text in every religion. For example, in my religion, Judaism, these are generally disregarded, but there are still some who try to look for "bible patterns." Furthermore, your post greatly contradicts itself. I seriously doubt that the shape of the earth, the existence of oceans, and "mountains" were discovered in the 1900's. If you have a point to make, say it without being completely illogical.
 
Old 03-16-2004, 02:21 AM   #3
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rinard, it's really useless to post these kinds of things here, they will never belief you. As a muslim, I belief that the Quran is the perfect book. And definilty it has also scientific teachings men didn't know about when the Quranic texts were reveeld.
But please for the love of God don't go contending that with me in this thread. See the very lengthy thread on sept. 11 by BigJohn for a discussion of that topic.
 
Old 03-16-2004, 01:01 PM   #4
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The main thing I think the Quran should be noted for is what is not in it, like no violence. No true Islam believer can be such and part take in any violence!
 
Old 03-16-2004, 03:29 PM   #5
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almost every religious text in the world has predictions in it, from native Americans, to Asians, to Africans, to middle east ,to European

heck, someone Even found predictions that came true in moby dick i herd...

for almost ever seance people could write there have been predictions, even some fictional books become reality (i heard the story of titanic was written in a book about 20 years before it sank, the story was almost 100% like that of the titanic, altho i 4get the book, i think it was called the titian ?)

There are some people that believe that humans can tap into some wealth of knowledge, and the more spiritually aware they are the easy it is.. just go search around for psychic stuff, and all sorts of stuff that the Christian Church deems as heresy

Its also known that the human brain is extremely sensitive to any sort of energy across the electromagnetic spectrum, that if your not thinking about things then some people believe its possible to see other things (like a few more sense's)
 
Old 03-17-2004, 12:07 AM   #6
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Maybe because of these scientific miracles Islam becomes the fastest-growing religion in America and in the world? Although religion is no longer dominates everyday life in Western society.

A NATION CHALLENGED: AMERICAN MUSLIMS; Islam Attracts Converts By the Thousand, Drawn Before and After Attacks
By JODI WILGOREN
Source: The New York Times: October 22, 2001, Monday
Section: National Desk

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3016/fastest.htm

"Islam is the fastest-growing religion in America, a guide and pillar of stability for many of our people..." Hillary Rodman Clinton, Los Angeles Times, May 31, 1996, p.3

Famous people are affected too:

Singer "Cat Stevens" Hear his story as told him
http://www.islamtomorrow.net/converts/yusuf_islam.htm
 
Old 03-17-2004, 12:33 AM   #7
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Look, no one's denying that Islam the world's fastest religion. There are now over a billion Muslims in the world. But, that does not prove anything about the Quran. Furthermore, I don't really see the point that you're trying to prove, why are you telling us this? Do you want us to convert to Islam because you believe in these things. I think it is pretty fair to say that most people, linux users in particular, like to form their own opinions on issues and don't want their opinions swayed by exaggerated facts, especially since all of your links have to do with converting to Islam.
 
Old 03-17-2004, 12:55 AM   #8
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Iím not a religious but astonished to know that Quran contains unbelievable scientific facts discovered just in the last century.
That sounds like a sales pitch if I've ever heard one. Your religion may be great and all, but most of the people here have already picked one. Others don't have one, and intend to keep it that way. Despite the fact that this is a general forum, it still feels like this doesn't belong here. But who am I to judge, other religions do stuff like this all the time.
 
Old 03-17-2004, 02:39 AM   #9
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no harm, I respect religions, but even if the whole world would be muslim, catholic or any other, it wouldn't mean that they're right, cause religion is something you believe in, it has not prove and has nothing to do with science.

I studied history and I know that Arabs have made great contributions in sciences but it has nothing to do with their religion, it just means they were/are good sciencists.
 
Old 03-17-2004, 05:51 AM   #10
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Please try to keep the discussion on track - LQ prefers not to have religious pitches made on it's boards. If you wish to promote a particular religion (and that goes for any religion), please find a more appropriate set of boards.

Thank you.
 
Old 03-21-2004, 12:36 AM   #11
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From what I've heard from different friends of mine who have converted to Islam, there are a few main reasons for most conversions.

1. Islam is a religious lifestyle, not just a quick Sunday morning church visit and a label. Although some Christians do pray before each meal and spend much time with their Bible, etc.many don't in the USA. Islam is something that can't be shunted into a few spare hours. You pray five times a day. Your dress code is affected; even your food choices are explained in the Qur'an. Many converts like it because they feel actively involved and as if they are truly religious.

2. For women, it is a big and welcome change from the "in your face" sexuality of western culture. Women are not required by the Qur'an to veil. They are required to dress modestly and it is *recommended* that they cover their hair. However, most do veil and some go farther with niquab (the face screen) or other traditional clothes. Women dressed like this consider themselves marked as religious women, not easy dates. They don't get hit on. No one gawks at their bodies. They are clearly off limits sexually and many that I personally know say it is liberating not to have to conform to western standards of sexy dress, makeup and spending so much time and money on appearance. You buy a five-dollar hijab, put your hair in a ponytail and cover, wear long skirt and a tunic shirt -you're set.

3. Islam is also growing because many people are not satisfied with Christianity. They feel it is too liberal, too fluid and changes for the culture. Islam on the other hand is more rigid and does not as a whole allow much for modern changes and the whims of society. Many like it because they feel other religions have loose standards.

That's what I got from the new Muslimah's group at Yahoo, Islamway women's board and a few other friends of mine. Stats taken by many college groups say that women convert 4 times more often then men.


This is an example:


Why Are Women Turning to Islam
At a time when Islam is faced with hostile media coverage particularly where the status of women in Islam is concerned, it may be quite surprising to learn that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, and even more ironic to discover that the majority of converts to Islam are WOMEN.
The status of women is society is neither a new issue nor is it a fully settled one, and where Islam is mentioned, for many the term 'Muslim Women' prompts images of exhausted mothers chained to the stove, 'victims' suppressed in a life of indoctrination, frantic to be westernized and so on. Others will go to great lengths to explain how the hijaab is an obstacle, clouding the mind, and comment that female converts are either brainwashed, stupid or traitors to their sex. I reject such accusations and pose to them the following question: why is it that so many women who have been born and brought in the so called 'civilized' societies of Europe and America are willing to reject their 'liberty' and 'independence' to embrace a religion that supposedly oppresses them and is widely assumed to be prejudicial to them?
As a Christian convert to Islam, I can only present my personal experience and reasons for rejecting the 'freedom' that women claim to have in this society in favor of the only Religion that truly liberates women by giving us a status and position, which is completely unique when compared with that of non-Muslim counterparts. Before coming to Islam, I had strong feminist tendencies and recognized that where the women was concerned, a lot of shuffling around had been going on, yet without being able to pin her on the social map. The problem was ongoing: new 'women's issues' being raised without the previous ones being satisfactorily resolved. Like the many women who shared my background, I would accuse Islam of being a sexist religion, discriminating, oppressing and giving men the greater privileges. All this coming from a person who did not even know Islam, one who had been blinded due to ignorance and had accepted this deliberately distorted definition of Islam.

However, despite my criticisms of Islam, inwardly I wasn't satisfied with my own status as a woman in this society. It seemed to me that society would define such terms as 'liberty' and 'freedom' and then these definitions were accepted by women without us even attempting to question or challenge them. There was clearly a great contradiction between what women were told in theory and what actually happens in practice. The more I pondered, the greater emptiness I felt within. I was slowly beginning to reach a stage where my dissatisfaction with my status as a women in this society, was really a reflection of my greater dissatisfaction with society itself. Everything seemed to be degenerating backwards, despite the claims that the 2000 was going to be the decade of success and prosperity. Something vital seemed to be missing from my life and nothing would fill this vacuum. Being a Christian did not do anything for me, and I began to question the validity of only remembering God one day a week - Sundays! As with many other Christians too, I had become disillusioned with the hypocrisy of the Church and was becoming increasingly unhappy with the concept of Trinity and the deification of Jesus. Eventually, I began to look into Islam. At first, I was only interested in looking at those issues, which specifically dealt with women. I was surprised. What I read and learned taught me a lot about myself as a woman, and also about where the real oppression of women lies: in every other system and way of life outside of Islam. Muslim women have been given their rights in every aspect of the religion with clear definitions of their role in society - as had men - with no injustice against either of them. As Allah says: Whoever does deeds of righteousness, be they male or female, and have faith, they will enter paradise and not the least injustice will be done to them [Nisaa 4:124]
So having amended my misconceptions about the true status of women in Islam, I was now looking further. I wanted to find that thing which was going to fill the vacuum in my life. My attention was drawn towards the beliefs and practices of Islam. It was only through establishing the fundamentals that I would understand where to turn and what to prioritize. These are often the areas, which receive little attention or controversy in society, and when studying the Islamic Creed, it becomes clear why this is the case: such concise, faultless and wholly comprehensive details cannot be found elsewhere.
 
Old 03-21-2004, 07:17 AM   #12
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Dear god, I really said to my self not to post a message here, but i'm compelled to do so any way. Dude, what are you trying to do? What's your point?

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Islam is also growing because many people are not satisfied with Christianity. They feel it is too liberal, too fluid and changes for the culture. Islam on the other hand is more rigid and does not as a whole allow much for modern changes and the whims of society. Many like it because they feel other religions have loose standards.
Not changing with the needs of time is THE for most reason the world is kicking our asses right now,from Palestine to Kashmir. We used to be strong and look at the Islamic community now, not even a Shadow of what it used to be. And conservatism is the blame for that.
Note that i'm a muslim my self and I agree with you on a lot of points, but maby this is not the best place to post this. I'm very interested by what you said though.

Last edited by schatoor; 03-21-2004 at 07:24 AM.
 
Old 03-22-2004, 05:36 AM   #13
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Let there be no misunderstanding of my intentions. This post is not an assault on Christianity or any other religion.
It is indispensable for me to look for the truth and study comparative religion because if I would like to know whether a religion is true or false, I should not depend on my emotions, feelings, or traditions. Rather, I should depend on my reason and intellect. When God sent the prophets, He supported them with miracles and evidences, which proved that they were truly prophets, send by God and that the religion they came with was true.


God revealed a holy book to Jesus called the Injeel, some parts of which may be still available in the teachings of God to Jesus in the New Testament. But this does not mean that the Bible we have today because it is not the original scriptures that were revealed by God. They underwent alterations, additions, and omissions. This was also said by the Committee charged with revising The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version). This Committee consisted of thirty-two scholars who served as members of the Committee. They secured the review and counsel of an Advisory Board of fifty representatives of the co-operating denominations. The Committee said in the Preface to The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version), p. iv, ďSometimes it is evident that the text has suffered in transmission, but none of the versions provides a satisfactory restoration. Here we can only follow the best judgment of competent scholars as to the most probable reconstruction of the original text.
The Committee also said in the Preface, p. vii, Notes are added which indicate significant variations, additions, or omissions in the ancient authorities (Mt 9.34; Mk 3.16; 7.4; Lk 24.32, 51, etc.).

My question is do we believe in the information declared in the following sites or not:

THE REAL STORY OF MARY
http://geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/3001/storyofmary.htm

THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS
http://sultan.org/articles/Jesus.html

Who Was Jesus According to Jesus?
http://www.islaminfo.com

IS THE BIBLE GODS WORD?
http://www.jamaat.net/bible/Bible1-3.html

Women in Christianity and Islam
http://www.beconvinced.com/women/CH_IS.htm

The Bible - A Closer Look!
http://www.todayislam.com/bible.htm
 
Old 03-22-2004, 07:12 AM   #14
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Re: The Scientific Miracles

Quote:
Originally posted by rinard
Iím not a religious but astonished to know that Quran contains unbelievable scientific facts discovered just in the last century.

This is really amazing.

∑ Astronomy!
∑ Mountains!
∑ Human Embryology!
∑ Oceans And Seas!
∑ The Movement Of Clouds!
∑ The Cerebrum!
∑ The Shape Of The Earth!
∑ The Expansion Of The Universe!
∑ The Sensory Characteristic Of The Skin!
∑ Formation Of Iron!
∑ The Lowest Part On The Face Of The Earth!
∑ The Sequence Of Day And Night!
∑ The Snow Age!
∑ New Diseases!
∑ Cnn Top Ten Discoveries Of 1998

You can find more info of the Scientists Declaration on the following sites:
http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/..._All/Index.htm

http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch1-1.htm
http://www.science4islam.com/
http://islamicity.com/science/
http://www.islamland.org/articles1/a006.htm

###############################################

http://www.islampedia.com/ijaz/Html/..._All/Index.htm

Scientists Declaration
_
∑______ Keith L.Moore
∑______ E. Marshall Johnson
∑______ T.V.N. Persaud
∑______ Joe Leigh Simpson
∑______ Gerald C. Goeringer
∑______ Alfred Kroner
∑______ Yushidi Kusan
∑______ Professor Armstrong
∑______ William Hay
∑______ Durja Rao
∑______ Professor Siaveda
∑______ Tejatat Tejasen
∑______ Dr. Maurice Bucaille

The Origins of Algebra
http://vmoc.museophile.com/algebra/section3_1.html

It also says that ants can recognise different people and know our names.
Has that proved by modern science yet ?
 
Old 03-22-2004, 08:32 AM   #15
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its really interesting how most religions do have knowledge hidden away in their absurbitys that is new or even unkown in modern science. i think its proof of two things, that we arnt the first time that the human race has become a global animal. and that we suspect that humans evolutionaryly dont seem to have changed for ages and ages so allthe past generations of our forbears have been mulling over the simular puzzles that we do with as much intelligence.
 
  


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