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Old 03-17-2013, 12:36 AM   #16
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talking about the email ids.. nowadays people use disposable ids like mailinator or a special id dedicated for these registering purpose LOL
 
Old 03-17-2013, 12:43 AM   #17
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I would not store anything with a "provider" that I would want to remain confidential. If I were to need a hosting service to start a web site, for example, they would only get the information they need, not what they might also want. If that is not to their liking, I would not do business with them.
Okay, and you think that that's not how a typical client-provider arrangement works?

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Old 03-17-2013, 01:16 AM   #18
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It the cloud typical?
Give us your data to relieve you of the burden of storing those files on your own computer. You can trust us.

That sounds like an information bank. The day cloud providers are regulated to the same degree as monetary banks, is the day I would almost trust them.

At any rate, the issue I am concerned about is the security of "confidential" files. Anything one does not want others to know. Whether it is in the form of a piece of paper or an electronic file, if it is not kept under lock and key with the item's owner possessing the only key, there is a risk of the item ceasing to be confidential. Just as I would not trust my neighbour to safeguard my passport, I would not trust someone out there somewhere to safeguard information I do not want made public. Am I paranoid, wise or stupid? That depends on one's perspective.
 
Old 03-17-2013, 01:29 AM   #19
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It the cloud typical?
Of course. We are talking about cloud computing providers such as Heroku, OpenShift, GWT and AWS, which essentially rent out virtual servers for developers to build custom applications on. That, Randicus, is what "The cloud" was referring to in the OP. We are not talking about cloud-based file storage services aimed at end users, such as Dropbox and GDrive, which are obviously unrelated to the OP.

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Old 03-17-2013, 01:59 AM   #20
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I see. I was under the impression the subject was the latter. Or perhaps it might be more accurate to say I assumed, since that is usually the topic with such discussions. That would be a case of "my bad."
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We are talking about cloud computing providers such as Heroku, OpenShift, GWT and AWS, which essentially rent out virtual servers for developers to build custom applications on.
They of course can be trusted. In the same way a liquor store can be trusted not to be the cause of drunken behaviour. The people who buy the alcohol or provide the servers with custom applications are a different story. Them I do not trust.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 10:49 AM   #21
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"Virtual server rental" companies, i.e. infrastructure companies, do not fall into my definition of "cloud computing."

To my definition, "cloud computing" is "hardware as a service," and it is specifically oriented to "software as a service" offerings. A cloud computing provider, as I have named it, is not simply providing an equivalent to a rack-mounted machine (or portion thereof), minus the Cat-5 cables. To me, a "cloud computing" provider is delivering a dynamically real-time scalable computing resource to you, packaged and delivered specifically "as a service" to support your software "as a service" offerings.

If you surf to the WikiPedia article, section on "Service Models", you will notice that I am identifying with Platform as a Service (PaaS) specifically, but that there are four service-models listed in the article. The term "cloud computing" is, in common usage, therefore quite ambiguous until the particular service-model being discussed is agreed to by all parties to the conversation. There are also four distinct deployment-models.

One service-model is the liquor-store, or even, if you prefer, the public building in which you are free to get privately or not-so-privately drunk while someone's stealing your wallet. Others are much more like a "speakeasy" ... you can't just walk in there, you can't just do anything you want to once you're inside, you're being watched, and you'll be thrown out if you try to steal somebody's wallet (unless you tip the doorman as you walk out with it ).

Me, I thik that we're heading toward PaaS and SaaS models in a terrific-big hurry, because these models provide much greater coverage of both business-risks and business-costs through leverage of the economies of scale. Even the simplest "cloud" models already get rid of all those noisy servers and big power-bills; other interpretations of "cloud" do much more, and I think that they will change the nature of the game as we know it now.

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