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Old 05-13-2011, 02:48 PM   #1336
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Looks like somebody took it personally. Well, whatever.
The person getting emotional here is you. I'm simply pointing out the flaw in your understanding. There's no reason for you to get upset.

That you can't disprove a negative is a fundamental rule in logic. For example... I claim there's a soda can on my desk. How can you prove that there isn't?

Now, you say, who cares, right? It's a perfectly normal claim, so you're willing to accept it on face value. So... I now claim that Allyson Hannigan is sitting on my desk, staring over my shoulder as I type this message. What's the natural response? "Pics or it never happened."

Not only would it be impossible for you to prove she isn't at my desk, but it's not your role to prove it either way. I made the claim, it's up to me to prove it.

There's a reason why shifting the burden of proof is a logical fallacy. The burden of proof is on the claimant, and the claimant in this case is the theist.
 
Old 05-13-2011, 03:30 PM   #1337
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The person getting emotional here is you.


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How can you prove that there isn't?
Track you down and barge into your house, obviously. Or ask somebody else to do it. As long as you're on the same planet, with enough resources it is quite possible to make sure if there was a soda on your desk.

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I'm simply ...
Your counterargument is not interesting enough.

I've been looking for a conclusion for religion thread. The conclusion happened, but it was not interesting enough compared to what I've been looking for, and now discussion is at its dead end, plus now I've got reasons to think that strong agnostic position might actually make some sense (which is just "great"). So have fun arguing with somebody else. I'm not interested anymore.

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Old 05-13-2011, 03:59 PM   #1338
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I'm wondering if this thread will ever be marked "Solved".
 
Old 05-13-2011, 05:46 PM   #1339
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It will. And then Richard Dawkins will burst in and prove us all wrong. Him or the Pope.
 
Old 05-13-2011, 06:02 PM   #1340
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I'm wondering if this thread will ever be marked "Solved".
Can threads in General be marked "Solved"?
 
Old 05-13-2011, 06:08 PM   #1341
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Can threads in General be marked "Solved"?
Not really. Another thing is that the only people who can add/remove reputation in this thread are:
1. Jeremy
2. R.Dawkins
3. The Pope
4. Bob
 
Old 05-16-2011, 09:31 AM   #1342
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Can threads in General be marked "Solved"?
It was a joke. I suspect for most people "religiousness" has been "solved" for themselves even if not for others.

What I find amusing are the folks that do adhere to some religious creed (e.g. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc...) that like to say "We're not 'religious'." It is much like all the politicians that decry their opponents antics as "politics" as if they somehow themselves are above "politics" despite their chosen profession. People that spend time trying to ignore the actual meaning of words in order to prove some "deeper meaning" show me there is no point listening to them because one can't have a conversation in which meanings change to suit the speaker. One should suppose that we could at least accept dictionary definitions but...
 
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Your counterargument is not interesting enough.
So what you're saying is, you're a troll. Got it.
 
Old 05-16-2011, 09:46 AM   #1344
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. . . People that spend time trying to ignore the actual meaning of words in order to prove some "deeper meaning" show me there is no point listening to them because one can't have a conversation in which meanings change to suit the speaker. One should suppose that we could at least accept dictionary definitions but...
"Actual," being based in time, changes inherently. Joseph Campbell spent a lifetime searching for common threads in mythologies, which use symbology to point to that which is ineffable. Carl Jung spoke of "archetypes of the unconscience."

Does one, then define "myths" as being untrue? and changes in meaning over time (a la evolution) as evidencing untruth?

Interesting and intriguing topic, but one bound to be misintepreted by earthling humans with limited understanding, ego and freedom of choice!
 
Old 05-16-2011, 10:20 AM   #1345
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You completely ignored what I was saying. I made no suggestion as to whether Religion was "true" or "untrue" but rather bemoaned people that ignore the dictionary definitions of words. Your response makes me suspect you fall into that camp because instead of responding to what I "actally" said you chose to go into a completely different tangent.

Anyway I don't want to get sucked into this thread that never ends again so I'll let you post whatever bogus response next comes to your mind without bothering to reply to it.
 
Old 05-16-2011, 10:53 AM   #1346
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It will. And then Richard Dawkins will burst in and prove us all wrong. Him or the Pope.
Guess who I just met at the train station?! Hint... It wasn't the Pope... Certainly made my day.
 
Old 05-16-2011, 11:58 AM   #1347
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Guess who I just met at the train station?! Hint... It wasn't the Pope... Certainly made my day.
Cool. Any new proofs shown? Apart from that British railways are absolutely awful...
 
Old 05-16-2011, 12:56 PM   #1348
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Cool. Any new proofs shown? Apart from that British railways are absolutely awful...
I just bid him a good afternoon and he reciprocated. Then he stumbled off to look confused at the departure boards.
 
Old 05-20-2011, 03:39 PM   #1349
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...So whats everyone's plan for tomorrow? Sorry I just can't help myself
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Old 05-20-2011, 04:16 PM   #1350
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...So whats everyone's plan for tomorrow? Sorry I just can't help myself
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I'm going to await the inevitable sipping Jameson while pondering the question: "Why haven't tufted capuchins developed fully opposable thumbs?"
 
  


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