The Faith & Religion mega Thread

Ops, sorry, it wasn't 99. The Quran didn't give any specific number, but according to Hadiths, someone who get killed when they fight the way of Allah, will get 72 virgins. Wow. I can really understand why men would like to be muslims now. It makes so much more sense. I can't understand women though. Do they get 72 virgin males when they are killed for being raped? :P

(Sorry, that was inappropriate, but I couldn't resist).

Originally Posted by khodeir who told u that shits no muslims do that u don't do that could we plz talk on the msn or st like that i think it is better but ur info about islam is zero

So what do you have to say about Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani? A mother of 2 in Iran who's going to be executed after a forced confession of adultery.

Or what about these:

Cleric dismisses women's rights: http://www.realcourage.org/2010/04/mazen-al-sarsawi/
80-year-old Saudi man marries a child: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/sa...-old-girl.html
Wife beating supported by islamic scripture: http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/wife-beating.htm
Cleric comparing women to "uncovered meat" as a justification for rape: http://www.islamreview.com/articles/...PONSIBLE.shtml

This is only on the way women are viewed in your scriptures and in states where Sharia Law is practiced.
And before you try to claim that I'm wrong you need only look at Saudi Arabia: it is the embodiment of Islam since it strictly enforces Sharia Law and yet it is one of the most oppressive nations on the planet.

Originally Posted by Dinithion Ops, sorry, it wasn't 99. The Quran didn't give any specific number, but according to Hadiths, someone who get killed when they fight the way of Allah, will get 72 virgins. Wow. I can really understand why men would like to be muslims now. It makes so much more sense. I can't understand women though. Do they get 72 virgin males when they are killed for being raped? :P (Sorry, that was inappropriate, but I couldn't resist).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRlTqnB6HAo

Originally Posted by Dinithion Ops, sorry, it wasn't 99. The Quran didn't give any specific number, but according to Hadiths, someone who get killed when they fight the way of Allah, will get 72 virgins. Wow. I can really understand why men would like to be muslims now. It makes so much more sense. I can't understand women though. Do they get 72 virgin males when they are killed for being raped? :P (Sorry, that was inappropriate, but I couldn't resist).

Maybe Robin Williams has it right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hezF38JEF8o

Originally Posted by sycamorex http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hezF38JEF8o

LOL thats a good one! And so is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYfYk...ayer_embedded#!

Now before we get accused too much of picking on just Islam, let us move on a bit.

As much as I pointed out to people George Carlin and his master arguments about religion, it is time for a different approach. George Carlin may be gone, and his legacy will live on, but there is another person to take up the torch.

Lewis Black!

Also his book "Me Of Little Faith" is a must read.

Now before we get accused too much of picking on just Islam, let us move on a bit.

You're right. That's one of my favourites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tsgmuD6eDg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0gAcbAGPH4 - A more longer version of what I posted earlier. This is more complete!

to Lewis Black and his awesomeness!

@Sycamorex, THAT one is excellent too!

There is no point in trying to talk some sense ito ppl who believe they are the only ones who know some kind of Truth... no point at all...

I can say I am a very tolerant and cosmopolite person...

But I ask now...

What is the purpose of ppl travelling to other contries, and integrating other cultures they no not intend to respect...??!!

I think there is a lot of misconception about this issue of tolerance vs prejudice around...

And the attitude of some ppl is Intellectually Dishonest... :

Sort of ... :

" Now that they tolerate me, I can do WHATEVER I WANT, from stoning women, blasting buses in the centre of a major European Capital City, or an entire railway station, to Honor killing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing , etc, BECAUSE, IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT IT HE'S THE ONE WHO IS INTOLERANT"

This, my friends, SUCKS, period

I can tell you...

In the day some Muslim decides to kill a daughter in Japan on account of a crime of Honor, HE WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE JAPANESE LAW

In the day some Muslims gather in Ueno Park to stone some poor innocent and hopeless creature, there will be mobs in the streets with people armed from Sharp objects, to UZI machine guns to expell them from the Japanese Islands.

In Japan in 21st Century, men do not stone women. And we want to keep it this way

ok
as u all insult my religion
i did it to u
try to figure it out

o Ur right about the religions after all.

didn't u write that?
ok
what about that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeKEogy90fE
do u still worship stone
stone doesn't respond

Originally Posted by Dinithion Ops, sorry, it wasn't 99. The Quran didn't give any specific number, but according to Hadiths, someone who get killed when they fight the way of Allah, will get 72 virgins. Wow. I can really understand why men would like to be muslims now. It makes so much more sense. I can't understand women though. Do they get 72 virgin males when they are killed for being raped? :P (Sorry, that was inappropriate, but I couldn't resist).

what is that
i don't understand u
where did u get those words from

Originally Posted by khodeir ok as u all insult my religion i did it to u try to figure it out didn't u write that? ok what about that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeKEogy90fE do u still worship stone stone doesn't respond

With all due respect, criticism is NOT insulting, learn to distinguish the two. Thats the trouble with most religious people. Any sort of criticism, WITH VALID points, NOT cheap jokes, it is considered an insult. As Marcus Brigstocke pointed out in the youtube video linked by Sycamorex, 'any criticism of Israel and their policies' is taken as anti-semitism. Seriously, get over it.

Same with Christians and Muslims. Any sort of criticism that points out certain things that are right in front of them, they refuse to acknowledge it, and cry that it is somehow insulting.

Originally Posted by Jeebizz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0gAcbAGPH4 - A more longer version of what I posted earlier. This is more complete! to Lewis Black and his awesomeness! @Sycamorex, THAT one is excellent too!

insulting people isn't a good way to talk to them

Originally Posted by Alexvader There is no point in trying to talk some sense ito ppl who believe they are the only ones who know some kind of Truth... no point at all... I can say I am a very tolerant and cosmopolite person... But I ask now... What is the purpose of ppl travelling to other contries, and integrating other cultures they no not intend to respect...??!! I think there is a lot of misconception about this issue of tolerance vs prejudice around... And the attitude of some ppl is Intellectually Dishonest... : Sort of ... : " Now that they tolerate me, I can do WHATEVER I WANT, from stoning women, blasting buses in the centre of a major European Capital City, or an entire railway station, to Honor killing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing , etc, BECAUSE, IF SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT IT HE'S THE ONE WHO IS INTOLERANT" This, my friends, SUCKS, period I can tell you... In the day some Muslim decides to kill a daughter in Japan on account of a crime of Honor, HE WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE JAPANESE LAW In the day some Muslims gather in Ueno Park to stone some poor innocent and hopeless creature, there will be mobs in the streets with people armed from Sharp objects, to UZI machine guns to expell them from the Japanese Islands. In Japan in 21st Century, men do not stone women. And we want to keep it this way

what is that!!!!
look man
i am sorry about i said about u
i will not come here again to talk
its a place that no one want to talk in a polite way
ok
do all what u want
i don't care
go to hell if u want
go to paradise if u want
my tongue can't help me in english , i am arabic speaker
i sent u sites
listen to it
dont like it
ok
bye
anybody needs anything pm me
bye

Khodeir...

There is a deep conceptual barrier between you and me ... boils down to this :

The beliefs of a community, or an individual should serve the sole purpose of the fullfillment of the individual, and maximize the acheivments of the community.

Jurists and law theorists call this the "Jusrationalist" perspective.

Some others think that

The goal of a Community or an Individual should be to stick as closely as possible to some sort of immutable beliefs: In short, the Individual EXISTS only to the satisfaction of a static and immutable belief.

This is the "Positivist " conception ( Law is Positively coded in a written Document, whose interpretation is only allowed to a few "illuminated Individuals"

For my Part, I can live with that, provided that these folks do NOT EVER TRY TO BOSS ME OR MY COUNTRY'S WAY OF LIFE with their perception...

Like stoning women, killing their own daughters, blasting buses in high traffic hours, or railway stations... etc


Are we clear here...??!!