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Old 04-02-2014, 03:16 PM   #4831
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I find it impossible to believe
and that anyone
would truly believe themselves
living eternally .. . .. . . .

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Old 04-04-2014, 02:43 PM   #4832
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I find it impossible to believe
and that anyone
would truly believe themselves
living eternally .. . .. . . .
Yea but what if there is option to gain that ability somehow? Like, for example, have you ever played or watched Vampire Masquerade games or similar stuff(today we have enough TV shows about it too)? Before the embrace they were humans and knew nothing about vampire life secrets. Besides try not mix eternalism with complete undestruction. Just because you may live for ever doesn't mean you will live forever. Quote from game(simplified to show difference):
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Smiling Jack: ... and, if you play your cards right, eternal life.
New Vampire: So I'm going to live forever?
Smiling Jack: Well you can still be destroyed, but ...
What i'm saying is - consider all options before jump to conclusions.

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Old 04-04-2014, 03:25 PM   #4833
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LOL Vampires Help to Prove my Point (no Pun)

Theoretically if "god" died he, like I believe(\know) we, will cease to be.

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Old 04-05-2014, 03:21 AM   #4834
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What i'm saying is - consider all options before jump to conclusions.
Some days, I am of the opinion that if one truly considers ALL the options, one will NEVER come to ANY conclusions!
 
Old 04-05-2014, 12:39 PM   #4835
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Good thought and as a whole the planet doesn't!
 
Old 04-06-2014, 07:41 AM   #4836
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Some days, I am of the opinion that if one truly considers ALL the options, one will NEVER come to ANY conclusions!
Yea but if we won't ask questions at all we will never know any answers. Our knowledge of world increases because we are curious about those details!
 
Old 04-06-2014, 09:33 AM   #4837
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Yea but if we won't ask questions at all we will never know any answers. Our knowledge of world increases because we are curious about those details!
Well Duh! There is a huge difference between asking questions and entertaining ALL possibilities. In Quantum Mechanics it is possible that in the next second you could suddenly appear on the surface of the Sun, but the odds are so low, I really wouldn't bet on it, or even waste much time considering it. I certainly wouldn't invest in asbestos.
 
Old 04-06-2014, 10:14 AM   #4838
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Yea but if we won't ask questions at all we will never know any answers. Our knowledge of world increases because we are curious about those details!
When asking questions one will find out, at some point, that some of them cannot be answered at all. And one should accept that, while keeping alive the pleasure of asking. Not accepting that will lead to irrational forms of thought, where the word "asking" is given a literal meaning, and "someone", who is believed to know everything and to have created everything ex nihilo (from nothing), is "put into existence" by ourselves, because of our desire to receive *all* answers.

Of course, that being which we "put into existence" has a striking resemblance with ourselves and our way of thinking, and (guess what!) the "answers" he will give are the very same that we want to receive. This way anything can potentially be thought as being "true" (very useful sometimes...), but this is just because "ex contraditione quodlibet" (from a contradiction, anything follows).

I don't understand why many people feel so annihilated by the idea that there might *not* be such a being, or a heaven, or an ethernal life, or whatever. Some people talk about the "meaning of life", which is often the meaning *they* would like to give to life. Nothing wrong with that, unless that meaning is expected to be absolute, the only one accepted by everyone.

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Old 04-06-2014, 10:29 AM   #4839
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^ No wonder we don't know truth yet. Too early for it for most people or they are not interested in it at all! Now i understand why beings in charge who do know hide it from society. Pretty pointless.

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Old 04-06-2014, 11:42 AM   #4840
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No wonder we don't know truth yet. Too early for it for most people or they are not interested in it at all! Now i understand why beings in charge who do know hide it from society.
But this is, again, the idea of a "truth" which is believed to be hidden somewhere, kept secret by "beings in charge" (evil?), that someday (when we are "ready") will suddently be "revealed" and therefore will "enlighten" us. In my humble opinion, this is good for mainstream stories about conspiracy and "secrets", i.e. for selling books and movies and videogames. The point is that such stories are not different from those about "devil", "Evil vs. Good", "resurrection", "ethernal life", "God told me this-and-that". That is, they just repeat the same, old pattern, and they tend to bring darkness instead of light.
 
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Yeah. Speaking about crazy people. I once again witnessed that Traffic laws have become one of new religions - some people obey them without questions or even when there is no need for it(example empty road with no traffic)!
 
Old 04-07-2014, 05:33 PM   #4842
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What would your number one single word to sum up all the troubles in the world be? I pick tradition but maybe instinct...
 
Old 04-07-2014, 05:40 PM   #4843
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Yeah. Speaking about crazy people. I once again witnessed that Traffic laws have become one of new religions - some people obey them without questions or even when there is no need for it(example empty road with no traffic)!
You think that people obeying traffic laws is a BAD thing??? Remind me to never drive in your country. I've had the misfortune of traveling to several places where the drivers just ignore traffic laws and do whatever the hell they feel like. I've never been more scared in my life just walking down the sidewalk. In a one week period I watched two major accidents occur, no more than 20 feet away from me while I was walking down the sidewalk. Every single car on the road was smashed up like it had been used in a demolition derby, even brand new cars.

People are idiots. Letting them choose for themselves when they should obey traffic laws or just ignore them is a recipe for disaster.
 
Old 04-07-2014, 05:48 PM   #4844
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You think that people obeying traffic laws is a BAD thing??? Remind me to never drive in your country.{...}People are idiots.{...}
Maybe they are but not all of them + you also need to learn to read written text. I never said any of the above i was just saying - they are obeying them when there is zero need for it! Real life situations > Law shenanigans

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Old 04-07-2014, 05:53 PM   #4845
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you also need to learn to read written text. I never said any of the above i was just saying - they are obeying them when there is zero need for it! Real life situations > Law shenanigans
I understood exactly what you wrote. Your implication is that there is no need or reason to obey traffic laws when YOU determine they're not necessary. Not only that, but you believe this so strongly that you actually get mad at other people for not breaking the law when YOU feel the law shouldn't apply. If everybody thought the way you did, then you would have a system with optional traffic laws, and, since people as a whole are idiots, it would lead to a shitstorm of chaos.

Like I said before, I've been to places where the traffic laws are treated as optional, and the roads are a nightmare.

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