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Old 03-18-2014, 06:07 AM   #4786
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Oh, there are a lot of inconsistencies in the halls of religion. For instance, almost in the same breath the Deity proclaims, "Thou Shalt Not Kill," and then, "Kill them all." At one point, said Deity even kills a bunch of his own people, because they failed to kill everyone in the "enemy" camp as they had been instructed. "El" was obviously a war god, fairly typical of that culture and time, and he did not like his competitors, such as "Ba-Al."

Doctrines such as "original sin" have little, if any, basis in the tome itself, but they have everything to do with "controlling society." You have to make everyone(!) feel guilty. Guilt is a very powerful motivator. It is literally, "damned if you do, and damned if you don't."

The promise, then, is: "pie in the sky, by-and-by, buh-bye!" Since no one who has been there ever comes back to tell us what it's really like, we can ... and do ... proclaim to people in sonorous terms "how good it's going to be," or, "how bad." Billions of years of hellfire torture in exchange for, at most, seventy-odd years of screw-ups? "Hell, yeah!"

I've got a suggestion: "You are here, now. Now, make the most of 'now.'" Whatever your hand finds to do, do it. If you wind up in a very hot place because of trying to do good as best as you knew how, then just flip-off that wretched Deity and jump straight in. But, I don't think that things will actually turn out that way. Don't do it because you're looking for eternal reward and/or because you're seeking to escape damnation. Do it because it's the right thing to be doing, and let someone else keep Score.

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Old 03-18-2014, 06:54 AM   #4787
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This reminded of quotes from Devil's advocate again(despite that quotes from Supernatural is contradicting)
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{...}Guilt is a very powerful motivator. It is literally, "damned if you do, and damned if you don't."
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I've got a suggestion: "You are here, now. Now, make the most of 'now.'" Whatever your hand finds to do, do it. If you wind up in a very hot place because of trying to do good as best as you knew how, then just flip-off that wretched Deity and jump straight in. But, I don't think that things will actually turn out that way. Don't do it because you're looking for eternal reward and/or because you're seeking to escape damnation. Do it because it's the right thing to be doing, and let someone else keep Score.
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"... Guilt - it's like a bag of fuckin' bricks. All you gotta do is set it down....Who are you carrying all those bricks for anyway? God? Is that it? God? Well, I tell ya, let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do? I swear, for His own amusement, His own private cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look, but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Aha ha ha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is He doin'? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off. He's a tight-ass. He's a sadist. He's an absentee landlord. Worship that? Never!"
"Better to reign in Hell, than to serve in Heaven," is that it?"
"Why not? ..."
Found more! Watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpJ7yUPwdU
It explains what Pascal's wager missed to tell us.

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Old 03-18-2014, 08:47 AM   #4788
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" ++ " ... very amusing. Thanks!
 
Old 03-18-2014, 09:06 AM   #4789
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Some of the only reasons people want exact proof of evolution is they have nothing better to do and\or to dis or prove religion. The fact is evolution happens (while posting with technology.) Did we come from monkeys or alongside them? Doesn't matter. Again I quote "unimaginable tracks of time" less-evolved treat people like monkeys now. ☮
 
Old 03-18-2014, 09:54 AM   #4790
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Man definitely came from Monkeys. In fact, some people I know are still monkeys ...
 
Old 03-18-2014, 10:21 AM   #4791
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Man definitely came from Monkeys. In fact, some people I know are still monkeys ...
Are you sure? As mentioned in older posts even if we have common monkey-type ancestor it still misses missing link(some force who put it all in motion!). Where did monkeys come from then? Even they have ancestors. Tried playing Spore game? Maybe you will understand. :P

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Old 03-18-2014, 11:13 AM   #4792
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Infinity (unlike most random events) does not have a start or a creator and yes I'm sure.

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Old 03-18-2014, 12:52 PM   #4793
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Infinity (unlike most random events) does not have a start or a creator and yes I'm sure.
Well, we think it's "infinity," but we really don't know even that. It's really difficult to "know" most things when you're stuck on one orbiting rock and your lifespan is just a few decades long.
 
Old 03-18-2014, 01:39 PM   #4794
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I have blind faith in it.
 
Old 03-18-2014, 02:26 PM   #4795
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It absolutely astounds me that any rational, non-lazy person imagines in his wildest fever dreams that Evolution is not a basic, proven fact. The work was completed by 1830 but was not published for almost another 30 years due to extreme diligence on Charles Darwin's part both to the Science and to his fervently religious wife who worried about blasphemy and such. Stop and do the math for how many generations ago that was and the state of knowledge in 1859. At that time Cosmology still maintained that our Solar System was the entire Universe, one that was timeless and never changed. We didn't even understand what the Milky Way was.

Now fast forward to the 20th Century. It would be as if you built your house with a yardstick that was not subdivided into even inches, let alone fractions of an inch and along comes an Inspector with a micrometer! 0_0 How many could pass that test? This is orders of magnitude less problematic than Evoultion standing up to the discovery of DNA. It could have just swept it aside without even a whimper. Instead, it bolstered it, made it stronger and deeper.

This is how Science works. Had it falsified it, Scientists would have dropped the Scientific Theory of Evolution in a New York Minute without ever looking back. Are there still some details to flesh out? Sure! But they are as relevant to the sturdiness of the Theory as the color of paint is to the structural integrity of your house.

As for Cosmology. Not only did we make the step to see we are part of the Milky Way Galaxy but that it is part of a cluster of galaxies that are yet a part of another group, but just recently the improved mapping of the Cosmic Microwave Background, the remnants of the Big Bang, has shown extremely powerful evidence that Inflation did actually happen and the Standard Model is on much more solid ground than ever.

Check it out at BBC or anywhere that reports real Science

Oh. and Jameson ROFLMAO and thumbs up, Bro.

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Old 03-18-2014, 05:45 PM   #4796
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Oh, I think we all agree that Evolution is well-proved to exist, and that it probably is The Origin of Species.

Darwin was, as you say, extremely diligent and thorough in his research. He was also rather conservative in his philosophical speculations.

What we do not know, however, is exactly how far Evolution goes. For example, we've never observed (as far as I am aware) anything becoming even a different genus. We know from genetics (and, basic animal husbandry) that you can't mix the sperm and the eggs of different creatures. There seem to be mechanisms which will reject such things, terminate pregnancies, kill the organism. In short, Evolution obviously works as a sort of self-tuning adaptive device, but it appears to operate within, shall we say, architecturally-defined boundaries. And we don't know what those boundaries are.

Nor am I, for one, willing to indulge in the "millions-of-years cop-out." Biology, quite frankly, doesn't seem to have changed much. If we can't induce radical-change ... if, indeed, it would seem that the system is engineered to prevent such ... then we really don't know yet just how far Evolution might be taken. We just don't know yet. We might well never know.
 
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Genetically altered food anyone, pill$, radiation, contaminants,,, of course but with babies we hit a wall of DON'T PLAY "god!"
 
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Hmm, looks like the Atheists are gradually gaining ground in the poll, as well as having the most persistent posts. Perhaps the thread should be renamed the Lack of Faith & Religion mega thread.

It is perhaps inevitable that with a thread of this nature and particularly its length, that no newcomer reads the whole thing and therefore the same arguments recur over and over on the same subjects. So, maybe the Lack of Faith & Religion Mega Circular Thread would be even better as a name. It might even please some of the reincarnation crowd, not that I've seen many here.
 
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Good point. I often consider that but my two cents just falls out and if a minds made up (in my opinion only one of the two main views can actually be ) on this topic it can always seem TLTR, hence mega.

Lets not forget about devolution? Religions.


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Hmm, looks like the Atheists are gradually gaining ground in the poll, as well as having the most persistent posts. Perhaps the thread should be renamed the Lack of Faith & Religion mega thread.{...}
Nonsense! You seem to forget just like recent above you post authors that there are 2 evolutions - Darwin evolution theory and Spiritual evolution. Of course we have spiritual evolution 24/7
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Evolution happens around us every day. We see the world changing. We witness progress, development, and growth. Problems that once plagued human life have been resolved. Things that were old have become new. The advances in medicine and technology alone have altered the quality and length of human life. ...
but we have yet to see undeniable proof on Darwin and monkey|ape human connection without outside influence!
 
  


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