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(We all do both from time to time but) I don't mean to cause any distress, second if you allow thoughts and feelings to sway your days too much that is your* fault, that being said; I believe some similarities can shed light here on the right to bare arms after all “in god we trust.” Many people believe guns and retribution (e.g: death-penalties, hell or conversely(?) the lower-class and on) are "necessary evils" (or blindly follow that sentiment) others know torture and spankings++ don't work and use psychology\knowledge (right place right time in evolution I'd guess or takers of "Elysium" or its creators, ∞\***?) I should not say that many are born into stupidity and uncontrollably fallow programming\brainwashing but as a terrible debater who is only human I will! We believe most of what we're born into that's why there are so many religions, traditions and stupidities like terrorism or drama i.e: “one person's freedom fighter is” religious, oh wait that's not right...
A rather lackluster respone to AnanthaP and the whole 'man in gods image' question.
I like marketing? LOL! Sorry i don't believe in that crap.. I reject idea of any important idea(like soul or truth) ownership and market in it's core. I believe we all just live and therefore even we don't own our lives but just rent them until time will come when we die completely.
Add: not quite paraphrasing James Carroll, religion too evolves!(.)
It is inconceivable that a judicious observer from another solar system
would see in our species -- which has tended to be cruel, destructive,
wasteful, and irrational -- the crown and apex of cosmic evolution.
Viewing us as the culmination of *anything* is grotesque; viewing us
as a transitional species makes more sense -- and gives us more hope.
- Betty McCollister, "Our Transitional Species",
Free Inquiry magazine, Vol. 8, No. 1
Edit\add again: "In yada-yada we trust" the death-penalty, morons! Circular reasoning (humanironpocrisy) is a programers loop writing in your brain from birth stooping reason an truth. For babies+$?
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Another question for those who are religious or those who study books deeply: Does the names "Devil", "Satan", "Lucifer" etc. portrait same entity or different entities?
This question is one of the popular ones there is no final answer found yet anywhere..internet search also is not sure so gives 50:50 ratio.
People seem hard up for thank-youse and pushing their "traditions." Why not when I cough, burp or fart? I'm going to start saying shush or I only thank gesundheities! Probably just annoyed with my allergies...
Oh, just step back from the "certainty-or-else thinking of church," and enjoy thinking outside the box. (I'm not disabusing "what you believe," but I am encouraging you to challenge it, knowing that this will probably make you very uncomfortable.)
Christianity is a remarkably Romanized religion in almost every respect. Where else could an executed political prisoner be made into "the" Messiah (a concept unknown to Judaism), who would order everyone to pay their taxes to a bitterly-resented occupying despot who crucified people every day?
Where else could the essential "value proposition" of the entire thing be reduced to an obvious "the eternal carrot or the eternal stick," the difference resting entirely on your assertion that you believe (the official, state-sponsored ...) story? Either you're doomed to an eternity of hellfire and brimstone, in exchange for about 70 years give-or-take of screw-ups, or you're doing singing lessons in a place where gold is a cheap building material, where the only thing that is allowed to be sung is the praises of an eternal narcissist?
Where else could an "almighty god" be locked in an eternal, life-or-death struggle, leading up to a cataclysmic war which is to feature about a six foot deep pool of human blood ... and, although he created (or at least, decorated) a planet with nothing more than a spoken word, can never actually defeat something that he himself made? His eternal opponent is described as "the morning star," and corresponds in other contemporary religions to "the (actual ...) morning star," which was also either revered or feared along with the sun and the moon.
There are inconsistencies in the most well-known books of "prophecy," including outright factual errors in the books of Daniel, Isaiah, Revelation(!), and several minor prophets. (Remember, we know from historical accounts how things actually turned out ... who succeeded who to such-and-such throne, and so on.) They're highly accurate in the mid-section, not-so accurate in what would have been earlier recollections, and altogether wrong about their ends ... clearly demonstrating that they are not 'prophecies' at all, but contemporary accounts intended to encourage the oppressed, and pseudonymously written many decades later than they claim to be.
There are no truly contemporary accounts of Jesus of Nazareth. No one with his boots on the ground actually had a pen in his hand. One of the books (Luke / Acts) explicitly acknowledges this, as well as pointing out that, even in that author's day, there was much confusion about this man which this author sought to "correct." There are irreconcilable differences even among the four "canonical" books that we do have, not to mention the others that the Council of Nicene (et al) didn't approve of.
And the list goes on and on.
"And so, here we all actually stand," whether we've been told that (in church) or not. You can't build a house on shifting sand, and if what you've been told up to this point in your life is that "God said it, I believe it, and That settles it,™ " ... then it is high time that you let your beliefs be seriously challenged, so that you can truly decide for yourself what you believe and why.
Now, the other side of this coin. Through this set of books (and others that you've also never heard about ...), through the beliefs and the actions of generations of people, you see the Hand of God at work! In spite of humanity. In spite of our ignorance and the extremely brief amount of time that any one of us are here. "The fool hath said in his heart, 'there is no God,'" yet we must be careful to "not lean upon our own understanding," nor that of our preachers. We will always seek to know, but never do so. Remember the tongue-lashing that Job received near the end of the book which bears his name (likely the oldest book of them all).
I, too, was steeped (boiled, sauteed) in exactly this same indoctrination since about age two. But, when I actually decided to "get to the bottom of this," and saw how inconsistent it was and yet how utterly powerful it was, I realized that I had stumbled upon some kind of hidden secret -- a secret that is hid in plain sight. If you want to say that you "believe something," and to actually have that belief be "an immovable rock" for you, then you can't base it all on what someone else said about a book that you've never actually read, much less researched. Even if that someone was standing at a podium and/or wearing a robe when he said it. You have to discover your own way, in a world that is indescribably old and mysterious and that can't be reduced to a book. You have to embrace the inconsistencies and stop looking for "infallibility." "My thoughts are not your thoughts. My ways are not your ways."
If I challenged you, then I meant to. I do not say that you are "wrong." But I do say that none of us is "right" in the manner that is so commonly tossed-about in the halls that are filled with hymns and incense. Maybe the writer of Ecclesiassties was right, after all: "all is vanity."
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