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Here are my problems with communal belief groups:
1) The individual is silenced in favor of the group. The individual has no say and must comply with the group.
2) The group follows group dynamics, can be influenced and predicted.
3) Over time their power grows, their aim changes, and bad things happen.
This applies to all groups that form around a common belief. This is why I consider myself non-religious, non-political, and I avoid joining communal belief groups.
@TobiSGD from the Singular Authorship of Isaiah thread (for those who haven't seen the first part of my argument refer back to that).
Originally Posted by TobiSGD
A total non-sequitur. Ethics have nothing to do at all with a god. One can be an ethical person without ever believing in god, for example based on the simple "Don't do to others what you don't want to be done to you!" I personally rather find it rather scary how many believers only don't do the things they accuse atheists of wanting to do because of the fear of a supreme being, instead basing this on their own morality.
Sorry Tobi, you didn't address the issue. What is the ultimate authority behind "Don't do to others what you don't want to be done to you!" According to you, that was said by one piece of cosmic dust to another piece of cosmic dust, thus according to you don't have to obey it.
You tell me: what is the authority keeping you from murdering for instance? Why is murder wrong?
Sorry, but reading this it seems to me that you neither know much about the science behind this (by the way, the christian god and evolution are not mutual exclusive, ask the pope), nor do you seem to know much about other religions, when you claim that the Christian religion is the only one that accounts for this (at least Judaism shares the same creation story with Christianity).
I don't care about what the pope says. He is an apostate and an heretic, who leads others astray with his false doctrine.
Since you know so much more about science than I do, you tell me. Where does the world as we know it come from? In short, I want to know what the ultimate source of the world and everything in it is.
You realize that the authors of the gospels were well aware of those predictions and had no problem at all to adapt their stories to them?
Yes, maybe they did know. But this doesn't mean that they made it up. There were hundreds of witnesses at the time who saw Christ, and the miracles that he performed. Josephus, one of the most recognized historians of the era, recognized Christ, and his death on the cross. Just as prophesied.
All but one of these men died for what they wrote.....if they admitted that they lied, they would've have been saved, and even treated with great honor. However, they suffered cheerfully and willingly for what they wrote, never admitting that they lied, even when under torture. Once again, would you be willing to die for a lie that you said; even if you would be given pardon for confessing?