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Old 01-12-2012, 07:59 AM   #4066
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there is all those pesky Buddhist, Sikh, Hindu, Zoroastrian (plus far, far more) books of religion.
Though that word may not bother me so much, you may be inviting some unwanted questions and flames which you may need to justify later, of course to the believers. IMHO. Carefulness is the key.

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Old 01-12-2012, 09:37 AM   #4067
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God is perfect. That's our claim as Christians. That's what atheists and agnostics refute.

For the agnostic to be sincere, they must dismiss resolutely either that God is perfect or that he is the origin of life. Otherwise their position that God might exist is a lie, making the agnostic position worse than that of the atheist.
No, the agnostic simply says that he lacks sufficient information to form a belief as to the truth of the matter asserted. There is no "dismissal," only a belief that they lack sufficient information.

You seem to forget that there are three answers to a "'Yes' or 'No'" question, Blue. The third answer is "I don't know."
 
Old 01-12-2012, 12:31 PM   #4068
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Despite the title of this thread, I have noticed a distinct lack of ranking of religiousness around these here parts. So, where 0 is "not at all", alpha is "somewhere around the middle" and 57 is "very", could you all rank your religiousness please.
I've got to go with - 32
 
Old 01-12-2012, 12:48 PM   #4069
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I've got to go with - 32
As a lot of things in this thread (including logic) are circular, what you declared is actually +25
 
Old 01-12-2012, 01:12 PM   #4070
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Looks like bluegospels circular arguments are rubbing off. Couldnt you have gone 1.61803?
Yeah...getting there...hovering round 1.7 now. Aiming for Absolute Zero, -273.
 
Old 01-12-2012, 03:51 PM   #4071
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Despite the title of this thread, I have noticed a distinct lack of ranking of religiousness around these here parts. So, where 0 is "not at all", alpha is "somewhere around the middle" and 57 is "very", could you all rank your religiousness please.
I must be around 0,0001. Although I consider myself an atheist, I sympathize with the agnostics in their belief that the existence (or non-existence) of god(s) cannot be proved. Although I don't necessarily agree with them, I think their approach on this is quite healthy and sensible. I also think that if any god(s) existed, no single religion in the world could give an accurate account of he/she/it/them/whatever, and hence, no single religion would be "right"; they simply would be possible views of it.

But beyond that, what I really think about religions is that they're just one of the ways in which the human mind deals with the unknown and gives it a shape. The other -IMO, more accurate- way is the science.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 02:38 PM   #4072
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Okay, I'll bite, possibly for the last time…

IMHO what it comes down to is this: people mostly care about other people. This doesn't have to be direct; if something was invented/created by somebody, then they can indirectly appreciate that person through their work. IMO the reason people invent deities to explain the unknown is because, generally, we don't like living alone in a mechanistic universe.

People don't like it when someone explains something away with "sh*t happens", or a similarly impersonal argument; they'd rather it be the result of some form of agency that they can identify with on a human level. I think this also explains why various "gods" have many of the same fallacies as we do (even if they aren't explicitly recognized): they're simply a part of our nature, and whether we realize it or not, it's difficult to imagine a force of agency that doesn't have them, deity or otherwise.
 
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IMO the reason people invent deities to explain the unknown is because, generally, we don't like living alone in a mechanistic universe.
Whether we like living alone or not, making up stuff because we can't confront our fears is not the answer. It's deluding ourselves to feel better. It may have a positive effect on some individuals, but it doesn't make it true in any way.
 
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Whether we like living alone or not, making up stuff because we can't confront our fears is not the answer. It's deluding ourselves to feel better.
I wasn't attempting to defend the religious POV, I was just giving my hypothesis as to why it exists in the first place…
 
Old 01-13-2012, 03:45 PM   #4075
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I wasn't attempting to defend the religious POV, I was just giving my hypothesis as to why it exists in the first place…
I know. It wasn't a direct response to your hypothesis which I don't entirely subscribe to anyway, as I don't see the universe as "mechanistic" (if I understand it correctly in this context)
 
Old 01-13-2012, 04:00 PM   #4076
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I don't see the universe as "mechanistic" (if I understand it correctly in this context)
If you thought I meant "deterministic", then not quite. All I was trying to say is that most people would prefer that the universe were guided by some kind of intelligent entity in some way rather than a set of mechanical, impersonal laws (or even nothing at all). Deterministic or not, a deity-less universe is (IMO) unappealing to most.

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Old 01-13-2012, 04:39 PM   #4077
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If you thought I meant "deterministic", then not quite. All I was trying to say is that most people would prefer that the universe were guided by some kind of intelligent entity in some way rather than a set of mechanical, impersonal laws (or even nothing at all). Deterministic or not, a deity-less universe is (IMO) unappealing to most.
I can only speak for myself but I find such a deity-less, self-regulating, relatively unpredictable and immensely complex system that we're yet to understand (better) fascinating.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 09:30 PM   #4078
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The word of nonsense.

Have a read of this:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
 
Old 01-13-2012, 10:05 PM   #4079
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Since most here are timid, I'll try to keep off this board from now on. Not a promise--it doesn't look like the social groups get as much discussion but we'll see how my "Smash Heads" group does.
 
Old 01-13-2012, 10:28 PM   #4080
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Since most here are timid, I'll try to keep off this board from now on.
The only timid one around here has been you, bluegospel. You've run away from every substantive question and challenge ever put to you on this thread.
 
  


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