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Old 08-24-2011, 03:12 PM   #2851
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I'm not going to walk on eggshells - in my experience the statement I made has proven to be unfortunately true. Yes, it happens in many other societies too but on a lesser scale.
Except that that is not what you said - you made a blanket claim. The most you can say is that some Muslims do this, the same way that some <insert believers> do this.
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I am not trying to provoke anyone, neither have I been provoked, if people can't discuss a topic in an adult manner without getting upset about it then it's a real shame.
Not long ago I said that challenging others is fine, as long as it is done with respect. I really do not think my stance has changed on that matter.

So, to everyone, be extremely careful with blanket statements.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 03:14 PM   #2852
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The voices in my head told me to merge the two religion threads into one. Think of it as a corporate merger or something.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 03:35 PM   #2853
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What, pray tell, makes us so different from computers?
Hardware, at least.

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The brain is basically just an organic neural network;
That's an insanely bold statement. Can you really prove that?
Normally computer neural networks take input and produce output. Brain operates in a loop. Also, as far as I know computers are not capable of sentience, thinking or generic learning. All neural network can do is adapt neural connections so based on expected input it will provide expected output and generalize, if possible. Yes, it is "kind of" learning, but it is incredibly limited compared to humans/animals. Also, it can't "grow", so adaptation is very limited.

You shouldn't reduce human to a mere machine. As far as I know, an insect is smarter than today's computer. All computer can do is calculate very fast, and that's about it.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 04:24 PM   #2854
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Normally computer neural networks take input and produce output. Brain operates in a loop.
Humans take input, too (through our five senses), as well as producing output (outward behavior). As far as "operating in a loop", that just refers to our ability to self-reflect and revise our "programming", which is (or at least can be) every bit as mechanistic as a self-modifying computer program. The only real difference is in complexity; the human brain is vastly more complex than any current artificial neural network. Difference in complexity/size != difference in fundamental nature.

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Old 08-24-2011, 04:43 PM   #2855
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Humans take input, too (through our five senses), as well as producing output (outward behavior).
You don't get the difference. (AFAIK) Neural network provides output immediately, so there are no "background thoughts" or knowledge about previous state of the network. The difference is fundamental and huge - neural network doesn't think. It provides immediate response, but that's it.

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As far as "operating in a loop", that just refers to our ability to self-reflect and revise our "programming", which is (or at least can be) every bit as mechanistic as a self-modifying computer program. The only real difference is in complexity; the human brain is vastly more complex than any current artificial neural network. Difference in complexity/size != difference in fundamental nature.
This is completely unconvincing and hard to be taken seriously. Are you a programmer? Can you provide algorithm for sentience? How about neural network that can "think" in background and make decisions? You'll have to provide something like that, otherwise I'll have to discard your argument as an unconvincing personal belief.
Artificial sentience and "generic artificial intelligence" is the only thing I don't even know how to start implementing in code, so if you think that humans and computers are that similar, you'll have provide something (other than your opinion) that would support your argument. So far it sounds like you greatly underestimate humans.

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Old 08-24-2011, 06:56 PM   #2856
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you live only once in this temporal world,
after death, when one day you wake up again, you will face the awesome God for your judgement.

 
Old 08-24-2011, 07:39 PM   #2857
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you live only once in this temporal world,
after death, when one day you wake up again, you will face the awesome God for your judgement.

this sort of post should be considered infractable forum spam IMO. It contributes absolutely nothing at all and serves no purpose other than as a poor attempt at proselytism.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 08:34 PM   #2858
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Just amazed with how this thread has been going. With all the information available with a Linux computer connected to the net.

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...-logic-to.html

It's a Wonderment.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 08:37 PM   #2859
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Definitely you will die, nothing you can bring along with you,
your dead body will be eaten by worms.

This is human's fate.

When you are alive, you can boast.
When you are dead, you are the food of worms.

 
Old 08-24-2011, 08:40 PM   #2860
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David Spiegel of Princeton University and Edwin Turner from the University of Tokyo have published a paper on arXiv that turns the Drake equation upside using Bayesian reasoning to show that just because we evolved on Earth, doesn’t mean that the same occurrence would necessarily happen elsewhere;
Exactly as the Bible mentions, God only created lives on the Earth.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 08:43 PM   #2861
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To an objectivist, empirical view, the rules of Bayesian statistics can be justified by requirements of rationality and consistency and interpreted as an extension of logic. Using a subjectivist view, however, the state of knowledge measures a "personal belief".
Science is also a belief when they can't explain it.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 08:45 PM   #2862
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Astronomers estimate that there are 100 billion galaxies in the universe. If you want to extrapolate those numbers, that means there are around 50,000,000,000,000,000,000 (50 quintillion) potentially habitable planets in the universe.
How do they know it is 100b or 1T galaxies?
Did they count it one by one?

This is just Assumption, they are not counting it one by one.
 
Old 08-24-2011, 08:46 PM   #2863
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Thanks for the link, Roky!

This is just one planet and mankind has yet to identify all of the species living here!
My logic dictates that there has to be many different organisms on many different planets.

I can't prove that but no one can prove that there is absolutely nothing out there, either!
 
Old 08-24-2011, 08:57 PM   #2864
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Exactly as the Bible mentions, God only created lives on the Earth.
Just out of curiosity, when it is established beyond any doubt that there IS life of some sort out there (bacteria on Mars or whatever), how will that impact your belief? Will you accept that your religion is wrong on a very major point and reconsider your beliefs? Or will you continue to believe that life is only on Earth and say that the Martian bacteria is just a hoax or terrestrial contamination or something?
 
Old 08-24-2011, 08:58 PM   #2865
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Science is also a belief when they can't explain it.
The issue is not whether it is belief, the issue is whether it is justified belief.
 
  


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