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Old 08-18-2011, 08:49 AM   #2671
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The evidence says you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

All you have to do is play games with the definition of "innocent." Muslim clerics have been doing it for centuries.

Also, there's the handy label "infidel," and what the Koran says about them.
Provide references for your statement.
 
Old 08-18-2011, 08:54 AM   #2672
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I dont know much about Christianity and Bible, so I cant quote with reference to that, but Quran is revealed with intention that its rules will be applicable till end of this earth. When Quran says hurting yourself is not allowed. It says killing an innocent is not allowed. It was applicable 1500 years back, its very much applicable today also. As far as killing innocent & homosexuality is concern, its forbidden in Quran in very clear words. There is no way person can interpret in different ways and misuse that.
Politics has become so corrupted, there is no peace on earth. And we common people dont know whats happening behind.
Oh, well, then, no one should ever disagree on the meaning of any religious text, if it's all so clear.

Let me ask you this, was Salman Rushdie an "innocent", undeserving of the fatwa against him? Was Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini wrong in his judgement? How should that be decided? Who should decide?
 
Old 08-18-2011, 09:33 AM   #2673
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You can not blame religion if its followers are not following that. In Islam there is no room for those uncivilized acts.
Seems like you only pick lines where you would get a chance to defend Islam, ignoring everything else. Learn to listen and learn to read, written somewhere or not.
You've been accused of ignoring questions, full posts in this thread time by time, you may continue that and loose all the respect.

Regards.

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Old 08-18-2011, 09:38 AM   #2674
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Oh, well, then, no one should ever disagree on the meaning of any religious text, if it's all so clear.

Let me ask you this, was Salman Rushdie an "innocent", undeserving of the fatwa against him? Was Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini wrong in his judgement? How should that be decided? Who should decide?
If you find something which is not clear, you need to point it out. Giving general statement wont help anyway.

I don't know exactly what wrong salman did from his book, but he caused the violence through his controversial book all over world. Fatwa is a non binding opinion issued by Islamic scholars. Issuing fatwa is a human action, could be again political inspired. Thats why its non-binding.
 
Old 08-18-2011, 09:43 AM   #2675
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Seems like you only pick lines where you would get a chance to defend Islam, ignoring everything else. Learn to listen and learn to read, written somewhere or not.
You've been accused of ignoring questions, full posts in this thread time by time, you may continue that and loose all the respect.

Regards.
Its not necessary to quote everyone with each and every line. There are several foolish comments, where I dont want to argue or put my comments. Your this comment was also one of them. Here I am replying so that you dont come back again with same. If there is a question need to be answered, raise again. Thanks for your understanding.
 
Old 08-18-2011, 10:08 AM   #2676
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Its not necessary to quote everyone with each and every line. There are several foolish comments, where I dont want to argue or put my comments. Your this comment was also one of them. Here I am replying so that you dont come back again with same. If there is a question need to be answered, raise again. Thanks for your understanding.
Which part of any of my comments you didn't understand? Let me know please?

And are you seriously a blind guy or just pretending to be one?

Man, the more I read all your comments the more I'm losing regards for you. It's sad.

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Old 08-18-2011, 10:09 AM   #2677
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If you find something which is not clear, you need to point it out. Giving general statement wont help anyway.
My understanding is immaterial. The point stands in that different people have different ideas about what religious passages and claims mean or how they should be applied. For example, when the Koran says, "O you who believe! Fight against those unbelievers who are in your vicinity (and pose an immediate threat to you and the preaching of Islam), and let them find in you sternness.28 Know that God is with the God-revering, pious who keep their duty to Him." Should "fight" be taken as literally as physical violence? Should it mean argue against? There is nothing inherent in the text that would allow you to choose between competing interpretations, the individual or community decides what it means, it's all opinion.

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I don't know exactly what wrong salman did from his book, but he caused the violence through his controversial book all over world. Fatwa is a non binding opinion issued by Islamic scholars. Issuing fatwa is a human action, could be again political inspired. Thats why its non-binding.
So let us assume he "caused the violence" through writing a book. Does that justify calling for his death? Is there justification in Islam for harming or killing someone for speaking or writing things critical of the religion?

The allegations against him were apostasy and blasphemy. This was what was said, "In the name of God the Almighty. We belong to God and to Him we shall return. I would like to inform all intrepid Muslims in the world that the author of the book Satanic Verses, which has been compiled, printed, and published in opposition to Islam, the Prophet, and the Qur'an, and those publishers who were aware of its contents, are sentenced to death. I call on all zealous Muslims to execute them quickly, where they find them, so that no one will dare to insult the Islamic sanctity. Whoever is killed on this path will be regarded as a martyr, God-willing.

In addition, if anyone has access to the author of the book but does not possess the power to execute him, he should point him out to the people so that he may be punished for his actions. May God's blessing be on you all. Rullah Musavi al-Khomeini."
 
Old 08-18-2011, 10:11 AM   #2678
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Its not necessary to quote everyone with each and every line. There are several foolish comments, where I dont want to argue or put my comments. Your this comment was also one of them. Here I am replying so that you dont come back again with same. If there is a question need to be answered, raise again. Thanks for your understanding.
Seems to me that you are the one putting forth foolish comments, IF YOU READ THE COMMENTS DIRECTED AT YOU AND THEN READ YOUR OWN RESPONSES you will realize the folly of your ways. You seem to like to respond to just a few words written and take them out of context providing they can be answered by some obscure passage in the koran of which you place your own spin on or come up with some train of thought that just goes in circles over and over ad-nausium! If you believe all the dribble you are spouting perhaps you might consider going out and reading your precious book .

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Old 08-18-2011, 10:16 AM   #2679
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Provide references for your statement.
Are you really this unaware of the world around you, or are you just trolling me?
 
Old 08-18-2011, 10:21 AM   #2680
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If you find something which is not clear, you need to point it out. Giving general statement wont help anyway.

I don't know exactly what wrong salman did from his book, but he caused the violence through his controversial book all over world. Fatwa is a non binding opinion issued by Islamic scholars. Issuing fatwa is a human action, could be again political inspired. Thats why its non-binding.
People are responsible for their own actions. Rushdie didn't perform any acts of violence, he merely wrote a book. The violence is the responsibility of individuals who couldn't control their own emotions about it.

Issuing a fatwa against a writer is a supreme act of childishness, so please explain why "Islamic scholars" are so immature.
 
Old 08-18-2011, 10:25 AM   #2681
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Seems to me that you are the one putting forth foolish comments, IF YOU READ THE COMMENTS DIRECTED AT YOU AND THEN READ YOUR OWN RESPONSES you will realize the folly of your ways. You seem to like to respond to just a few words written and take them out of context providing they can be answered by some obscure passage in the koran of which you place your own spin on or come up with some train of thought that just goes in circles over and over ad-nausium! If you believe all the dribble you are spouting perhaps you might consider going out and reading your precious book .
He will not understand this simple thing.
This is not what he wants to hear.

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Old 08-18-2011, 11:26 AM   #2682
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Youtube is full of such researches which prove 9-11 was inside job. There were explosives planted in both buildings, pentagon was not hit by plane, buildings were insured few months back against terror attacks, finding the hackers passport intact etc.... American govt has no response over them.
Not even a little bit close to proof. No party is even close to proving what happened that day.

I'm just saying both sides were politically motivated, and both cited religion to rally the people behind their cause.
 
Old 08-18-2011, 12:15 PM   #2683
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Not even a little bit close to proof. No party is even close to proving what happened that day.
That's simply not true. While perhaps not every single detail can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, there is plenty of corroborating evidence, scientific experiments, and technical experts that have established that the official version of what happened on 9/11 is generally correct.

Furthermore, the idea that such a giant, evil conspiracy could happen with the participation of so many Americans is ludicrous, as it flies in the face of one of the primary defining characteristics of the American people, which is we can't keep our mouths shut. Secrets of national importance are leaking out of the White House daily, and you think thousands can keep secrets when blabbermouth tendencies are exacerbated by matters of conscience?
 
Old 08-18-2011, 12:52 PM   #2684
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I don't know exactly what wrong salman did from his book, but he caused the violence through his controversial book all over world.
So Salman Rushdie's book "caused violence", but the Koran has nothing to do with the countless acts of violence committed by those who make no distinction between its content and their political views. Uh huh.

BTW, ShanAaali, you've revealed yourself to be both a creationist and a 9/11 truther. I find it quite fair to say that taking either position means you need to do a better job of thinking things through. And by "things", I mean things in general.

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Old 08-18-2011, 02:33 PM   #2685
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Which part of any of my comments you didn't understand? Let me know please?

And are you seriously a retard or just pretending to be one?

Man, the more I read all your comments the more I'm losing regards for you. It's sad.
Disagree, that is your right as a member of LQ. But do so politely. This thread, despite it's subject matter has been mostly polite. ShaanAli is arguing from the point of view that he believes in his faith, others are not. As long as this thread remains polite, that is fine.

Pro-tip: if you find yourself about to insult another member in this, or any other, thread with words like that just walk away and calm down. It's the internet, despite the various posters it really isn't serious business.
 
  


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