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Old 07-04-2011, 10:25 PM   #1771
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people have been unsuccessfully trying to do that for about two thousand years now. Isn't it a little presumptuous to think you can pull it off?
Not if it's just one or two of the ones listening in silence. Mind you, there are now over 450 hits in less than 5 hours, and only 7 people have posted here, besides me. That suggests people are listening. It also suggests that it does something in the seven of you more than annoy you. Either it terribly disturbs you, or, alas, draws you as curious.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 10:33 PM   #1772
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Not if it's just one or two of the ones listening in silence. Mind you, there are now over 450 hits in less than 5 hours, and only 7 people have posted here, besides me. That suggests people are listening. It also suggests that it does something in the seven of you more than annoy you. Either it terribly disturbs you, or, alas, draws you as curious.
But thats not proving christ. Its just proving that people like a show.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 10:37 PM   #1773
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But thats not proving christ. Its just proving that people like a show.
That's not proving Christ. But the content does. The 7 of you rejecting it just proves either your blindness, your carelessness, or your irrationality.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 10:47 PM   #1774
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That's not proving Christ. But the content does. The 7 of you rejecting it just proves either your blindness, your carelessness, or your irrationality.
How so? There's not really any correlation between the rejection of an assertion and a person's rationality (unless the assertion is grounded in indisputable proof, but in this case it certainly is not).
 
Old 07-04-2011, 10:55 PM   #1775
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May I ask where the bible states that we are not big enough to handle the experience of good and evil?
One example: Romans 7:15-17--"I don't really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don't do it. Instead, I do what I hate. . . So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it." This nature, Paul says, is in us all, even the godly.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 11:11 PM   #1776
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That's not proving Christ. But the content does. The 7 of you rejecting it just proves either your blindness, your carelessness, or your irrationality.
Dude, if you want to "prove the christ", you should start with providing better arguments. People that can only say "I'm right, read the bible to see why" aren't really impressive, they sound exactly like door-to-door preachers. You should also understand that for any non-Christian your bible is not an authority - but only a books of myths with unknown origin - no matter what is written inside, there is no warranty that it actually happened.
To change somebody's belief, it is recommended to earn that person's respect or show solid logic in your belief (if it is really present). A person extremely skilled in discussion could start at opponent's position and provide their own belief using opponent's arguments. Majority of people can't pull this off, though. If you fail to provide decent discussion, you will not be able to "prove the christ", but you'll make people dislike your religion. So far there were NO decent arguments from you, plus you still don't know how to put username/post reference into quote tag. Calling other people "blind"/"careless" (which is sign of arrogance, IMO) and failing to understand their position/reasons also won't help you.

Also, I don't recommend to get cocky about page views. Aside from existence of bots (not sure if page views are generated per IP or per real forum user), there's absolutely no warranty that people have been viewing the page even for 1 second. To get number of potential converts, I'd recommend to divide number of pageviews by 10000 or 100000. That'll give realistic expectation. Another problem is that I have never seen anybody to change their belief as a result of internet discussion about religion.
 
Old 07-05-2011, 05:04 AM   #1777
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Practically, life is having sensation of anything--that is, spirit.
Thanks. Now we have your definition. Now can you define spirit. How is it different from soul? Do these things/entities/feelings really exist? Whats the point? Animals, worms, etc have sensation - so how do you know when they are using their spirit/soul?

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Old 07-05-2011, 05:12 AM   #1778
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That's not proving Christ. But the content does. The 7 of you rejecting it just proves either your blindness, your carelessness, or your irrationality.
So I am either blind, careless or irrational. Not to say that I find it rather irrational to base ones whole view of the world on one very old book. If I have to choose I would say that carelessness is the right one. I don't care about your religion. I am only discussing here because i find your arguments rather to be non-arguments.

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Romans 7:15-17--"I don't really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don't do it. Instead, I do what I hate. . . So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it."
I have also one: Genesis 6:9 :
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Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God.
Doesn't that prove that there are people that can cope with those concepts if even god tells them to be of the right kind?
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The LORD then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation.
 
Old 07-05-2011, 05:42 AM   #1779
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Not if it's just one or two of the ones listening in silence. Mind you, there are now over 450 hits in less than 5 hours, and only 7 people have posted here, besides me. That suggests people are listening. It also suggests that it does something in the seven of you more than annoy you. Either it terribly disturbs you, or, alas, draws you as curious.
I dont think you quite know how the 'hits' system works.

Even if you asssume that there are a lot of people who are looking at this thread but not posting, that does not suggest that 'people are listening'. More likely they are having a look, seeing the same people make the same arguements and just clicking back out in boredom.....

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That's not proving Christ. But the content does. The 7 of you rejecting it just proves either your blindness, your carelessness, or your irrationality.
It would be just as realistic to say that your embrace of (limited) christianity proves how transfixed you are on a 1700-1800 year old collection of books. Its not the only religion around, and the bible is no more 'proof' for christianity than the Koran is for Islam, the Torah and Talmud are for Judaism, the Tripiṭaka (etc.) for Buddhism, the Vedas (etc.) for Hinduism, etc..

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Old 07-05-2011, 06:10 AM   #1780
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Your god wanted man to be his docile pet. The serpent (a symbol of wisdom in many cultures) said: "Here, eat this, think for yourself."
 
Old 07-05-2011, 01:39 PM   #1781
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I cordially suggest that you read a good book on the history of the Christian religion. Given that it is less than two thousand one hundred years old, and thus a baby among religions, its entire history and provenance is well known. (Just as well-known as "the historical Jesus," whatever and if-ever he is, is utterly un-recorded.)

When people are taught from their earliest childhood to, quote, "have faith," I'm afraid they have utterly no idea just how completely that is meant. Even to, and including, the notion of "quoting Paul" (in particular) versus the literally hundreds of other writers who didn't so closely suit the purposes of the Roman state; or, probing through the Revelation of Saint John (say...) without ever having been informed that (a) it most certainly wasn't written by John, and (b) it is only one of literally hundreds of examples of books of its exact same type which did not, at some time or another, accidentally or purposely have a too-close encounter with a fireplace. (Apparently, persecuted folks loved to read books that told them, more or less, that "God's going to show up real soon now with a big bucket of whup-ass juice...")

If you do not "have faith" that is secure in that knowledge, then you do not "have faith" at all. You are, in fact, either leaning upon your own understanding or resting upon that of your preachers and teachers. And, these foundations will fail you.

If you truly believe that there is a God who wants to connect with humankind, then you need to consider that he is more likely to use a "still, small voice" in the depths of a cave than a thunderous Holy Book.

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Old 07-05-2011, 02:32 PM   #1782
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That's not proving Christ. But the content does. The 7 of you rejecting it just proves either your blindness, your carelessness, or your irrationality.
Don't know if you're counting me among the people who are rejecting...but I am not rejecting God, nor will I. I am a Christian, but probably one that you wouldn't acknowledge as being a 'true' Christian, by your skewed standards. I have good friends of many faiths (Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, Pagans, and atheists), and accept them all as they are, as they accept me. A persons faith does not determine their worth, nor does a difference (or lack of) faith make them 'bad'.

No, my problem with you is your poor logic, poor reasoning, and poor placement of a thread on a site where it doesn't belong. You are behaving like the typical Internet troll, and pat yourself on the back for it. If you feel like "people hate me, so I'm doing something right"...that kind of puts you in the troll category.
 
Old 07-05-2011, 03:27 PM   #1783
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I would suggest that "Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread" number at the bottom of the page is a more accurate measure of its popularity than the number of "hits".

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Old 07-05-2011, 03:52 PM   #1784
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Now can you define spirit. How is it different from soul?
Your soul is the basis of what you are, your being, in the context of eternity. Your spirit is joined to your soul as your "light," giving you sight and sensation. (For now, these are joined to your body).
 
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Whatever the case, in less than a day there have been 750 clicks (or possibly including some automated "hits"), so this thread is getting traffic. In fact, if you compare that traffic to some of the more popular threads, this measures well.

Let's not get off track here. We're talking about origins, not my popularity or lack thereof.
 
  


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