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Old 07-04-2011, 05:33 PM   #1726
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To be fair, TB0ne, he did begin by asking if threads about religion were appropriate here:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...barred-888784/
Quite true...however, the OP doesn't seem to be interested in rational discourse, based on some of the responses. I try not to feel the trolls, which is what the OP sounds like, based on what I've read. If the OP wants everyone to agree with him, a religion forum would be the best place for it.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 05:40 PM   #1727
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While the above was harsh, I unfortunately agree that it's 100% accurate.

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Old 07-04-2011, 05:41 PM   #1728
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If you mean that, I am not afraid of not believing in your god (this is an international forum, I believe that here are many members that don't believe in your kind of god, since there is more than one religion on this planet). In fact I am not believing that there exists any form of god at all, but that is just me. This also has not anything to do with being a technocrat (technically I live in a technocracy, since we have parting of state and church in Germany, but I think that this definition: "the term technocracy denotes a system of government where those who have knowledge, expertise or skills compose the governing body" isn't really true in my country).
You can believe what you want, it is up to you. I just don't have a need for a god. But that doesn't mean I don't know anything about the christian god.

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There are two possible origins--1) Matter precedes life 2) Life precedes matter
From your own holy book:
Genesis 1:1 :
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First God made heaven & earth
Genesis 1:11 :
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And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth."
Genesis 1:20 :
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And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures,
Genesis 1:24 :
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And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds."
So the bible says that matter precedes life, in the first chapter of the book. Shouldn't that close the case for you? Or do you not believe in the bible, the christian holy book, that you have studied so long?

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Old 07-04-2011, 06:34 PM   #1729
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I just don't have a need for a god.
Well then you don't have to agree with me. And if you prefer, you don't have to read this thread. But faithlessness in God is not grounds for censorship. This forum is "General." Should all threads involving faith in God be diverted to a thread whose original intent was to rank one's own "religiosity?" tagged as comic, not world views?
 
Old 07-04-2011, 06:37 PM   #1730
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So the bible says that matter precedes life, in the first chapter of the book.
You've quite blatently overlooked God. "In the beginning God"

Before matter there was God. That's my whole point.
 
Old 07-04-2011, 06:49 PM   #1731
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So you think that god is a life-form. Doesn't that contradict your opinion in the "comic"-thread? As a life-form he would belong to nature, and in your believe nature doesn't modify itself, it only variates, no new life-forms evolve. But isn't the creating a whole environment with new life-forms in it a modification, not a variation?

Edit: Question: If god formed Adam after his own image, doesn't that mean that god is also formed out of matter?

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Old 07-04-2011, 06:51 PM   #1732
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You've quite blatently overlooked God. "In the beginning God"

Before matter there was God. That's my whole point.
So you're including God in the "life" category then? Well then. I will repeat your words back to you: "Show me something living whose parent had not ever lived." By your own logic, you now need to ask what created God. If your answer is "God didn't have a creator; he always was", then your argument collapses.

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Old 07-04-2011, 06:58 PM   #1733
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Well then you don't have to agree with me. And if you prefer, you don't have to read this thread. But faithlessness in God is not grounds for censorship. This forum is "General." Should all threads involving faith in God be diverted to a thread whose original intent was to rank one's own "religiosity?" tagged as comic, not world views?
But you appear to be missing the point. A religion thread is out of place in a technical forum to start with...the forum moderators allow it to continue as they wish. And my earlier statement about you not wishing to have rational discourse holds true here, it seems.

Merging two threads that are closely related happens here all the time, and on pretty much any forum on the net. No one ever said they'd edit, remove, reword, or do ANYTHING to distort what was posted. However, to you this equals censorship. Second, you say "world views"...you are espousing YOUR views. Clearly other citizens of the world don't share them.

A good percentace of your postings are about religion...suggesting you post such things on a forum that deals with such matters is hardly out of place.

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Old 07-04-2011, 06:59 PM   #1734
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There are two possible origins--1) Matter precedes life 2) Life precedes matter
With traditional definition of "life", #2 is impossible. Life is matter, therefore it can't precede matter. Therefore, #1.

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Judge also by what you do not see.
This is a bad idea. When you "Judge by what you do not see", you simply allow your imagination run wild. As a result, you'll end up with incorrect conclusions that have nothing in common with reality.

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It's obvious life is superior to matter.
No, it isn't. To declare life to be superior to matter, you need to define comparison criteria and make sure they are not biased (which is impossible).

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That thread was started to assess people's self-assessment of their "religiosity." Morever, it's tagged as humor, not speculation or convictions on science & faith.
And your first post is neither significantly different from contents of that thread nor it is a real question. Anyway, it is moderator's decision. If they decide not to merge this thread with "rank your religiousness", then so be it.

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Simply as that:
Not exactly right.
If some kind of god exists and is responsible for creation of life, then the answer depends on whether god is life or not. AFAIK, traditionally "life" is considered to be an activity of matter, so if a god is not material, then it is not "life", and matter precedes life. If a god can be considered to be some kind of lifeform, then life precedes matter.
If there is no god, then matter precedes life.

The order of precedence, however, has nothing to do with superiority.

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Edit: Question: If god formed Adam after his own image, doesn't that mean that god is also formed out of matter?
Does object have to be material in order to have "image"?
 
Old 07-04-2011, 07:00 PM   #1735
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Only 3 people have posted here (besides me), and yet this thread has had over 130 hits in two and a half hours it's been public. Apparently there's enough interest to run by itself. People are afraid of you, and/or of me. Absurd? Then why are you here? I mean, you're pretty important in my estimation?
 
Old 07-04-2011, 07:06 PM   #1736
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Which came first, the hen or the egg?

I think science tells clearly that matter came before life.

And anti-mattter will come after death.

OK
 
Old 07-04-2011, 07:06 PM   #1737
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Does object have to be material in order to have "image"?
If I would form something after my image I would it make that it looks like me. I doesn't have to use the same material, but the same form. If got would be immaterial, why would we have this form? Shouldn't we also be immaterial? Or can they be form without matter (serious question, is that possible)?
 
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I think science tells clearly that matter came before life.
Science as a god will blind you, as a way of looking at nature, will teach and strengthen you.
 
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If got would be immaterial, why would we have this form?
God created us "in his image," with regard to his character, not substance. If we were of his character and substance, we would be gods like him, but there is one living God. We are made in his image in such ways as we desire companionship with others, we have knowledge and wisdom like him, we are skillful. And before the fall, we were pure.
 
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See, MATTER IS LIFE. In an elementary way.

Before we get into this discussion, we should define what is life (versus matter).

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